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Getting to Know our New Recruits: ATH Marcus Allen

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For those of you who are just tuning in, we've already written articles detailing 3 of Georgia Tech's signees for this class: ATH (QB) Dennis Andrews, ATH (QB) Justin Thomas, and WR Michael Summers.

The next recruit I want to detail is a kid who was highly touted in high school. He's listed as an athlete who plays linebacker and running back out of Hilliard, FL (he's projected to play B-Back for us) -- the 3-star, 6'2", 210lb Marcus Allen.

Marcus Allen is regarded as one of our better pickups in this recruiting class. Allen reportedly had offers from 4 SEC schools, 3 ACC schools, and 3 B1G schools, among a number of other programs. He has outstanding acceleration and ballcarrier vision. He also has a good top end speed and seems rather difficult to bring down. A tough kid with a lot of talent it seems, I feel that he may have one flaw as a B-Back: his height of 6'2", if legitimate, is awfully high for a kid looking to get his pads as low as they should be to play that position (for reference, Dwyer is listed at 5'11", while Anthony Allen is 6'1"). My other concern is with his running style, which is a bit more towards juking than trucking. I feel like Allen could really pan out as the second coming of Orwin Smith if put at A-Back though, between the speed and size combination (also saw him throw a devastating block in his Rivals highlight video). Regardless though, he looks to have a bright future on the Flats, and we have a lot of reason to be very excited to welcome Marcus Allen to the Georgia Tech family!

Here are his junior highlights -- the running back stuff starts around 1:24.

Marcus Allen C/O 2012 LB Hilliard HS (FL) (via TheHilliardFlashes)

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He seems to bring a lot of versatility to the B-Back position...

where he could be used on the pitch a la Jon Dwyer.

I would disagree slightly with you, and stress how important the “juking” aspect is to the B-Back position. Since JD had incredible vision, he could know when to juke at the second level once he’s burst through the crease…or if he recognized the DL penetration and bounced it to the outside. Juking is what also allowed JD to take a bunch of his runs to the house.

As far as him being 6’2", I think its fine as long as he can get that initial burst into the hole and stay low.

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by TBuzz on Feb 8, 2012 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

I like to call it

“getting through the trash.” That’s key to the B-Back because he’s always in it on the dive plays. He also seems difficult to tackle, has good balance, and reads his blocks well, which will help him stay up. I didn’t see elite speed, but I’m sure he’s fast enough to pop some big plays.

by acedarney on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Marcus Allen is a great name which will attract national attention if he does well.

As with another member of this recruiting class, I think the coaches will have a fun time deciding whether he is A back, B back or defense. I understand the concern about height but that is not a determining factor. I remember two record setting NFL running backs who were in the “fullback mold” though they were not always called that.

John Riggins 6’2"
Larry Csonka 6’3"

by Atlanta's original team on Feb 8, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Also glad the issues with this site were fixed from this morning

It wiped out my most erudite and in depth comment of my entire blogging career. Now I am just stuck with memories of my greatness.

by Atlanta's original team on Feb 8, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

which was...

im curious!

Paul Johnson: not giving a crap about what you have to say since 1987.

by GTNate on Feb 8, 2012 2:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

speaking of site issues

Has anyone been receiving errors when trying to access this site? I have to try to access it twice. The first attempt fails (IE can’t connect) and the 2nd attempt connects. Doesn’t seem to matter whether I try http:// or http://www.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen several people right this,

But why do you want the B-back to be a guy that just runs over people? When Jonathan Dwyer was here, he was looked like he put on some weight his junior year. His sophomore year, where he had a 7.0 yards per carry average, it seemed like he broke off a lot more long runs and he seemed more explosive. His junior year, he looked more like a bruiser back who ran over people a lot, but he only averaged 5.9 yards per carry. I prefer having a guy at B-back who has great speed and can make people miss, as well as being able to break tackles. That way they can get to the second level, outrun the secondary, and break off long runs.

by RamblinWreck7 on Feb 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

My two requirements

for B-Back:
1. He has to be durable enough to get hit on every play
2. He has to be able to get through the trash at the line of scrimmage

Jon Dwyer was extremely good at both of these. He also had speed and power to boot, which was a nice plus.

by acedarney on Feb 8, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

weight

I think the BB put on a bit of weight to help with the constant pounding they take from frequently crashing into the DL. I remember Anthony Allen making a comment to the effect of he added some weight a bit for that reason.

Since the QB and BB are constantly meshing or faking the mesh it makes sense to have and every down BB so that you maintain consistency with the mesh since a fumble there stops the play dead in its tracks. On the other hand, if you did commit to a BB rotation, maybe you could have lighter players since they wouldn’t take as many hits.

I’m not sure what all CPJ did with the BB at Navy and Southern, but at GT he has preferred the every down player.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 8, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

CPJ had the "other" Adrian Peterson at GSU...

and he was in perpetual “Beast-back” mode!

/did I just come up with Beast-back??

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 8, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

On the weight thing

There used to be an old theory that you used your beefier backs early in the game. When the defense begins to become a little gassed you switch to the lighter, fast and shifty backs. I have always liked the theory. When a defensive player is getting tired it totally demoralizes him to start having to chase down a quicker player.

So, I could imagine a 250 pound B back to start the game out and then after the defense gets used to bracing against the brawn you switch to a speedy 210 pound back who runs through their noodle arm tackles because the runner is no longer coming straight at them.

by Atlanta's original team on Feb 8, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I’m on board.

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Could he be a punt returner

a’la Jerrard Tarrant?

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by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Feb 9, 2012 6:37 AM EST reply actions  

Dwyer was a special back.

The dude was made for BB. You almost never get a clean hole on the dive, so the first step is powering through the arm tackle or clearing the wash of the interior DL. Then, step two is juking or powering through the LBs. Then it’s a race and the spoils go to the guy with speed and vision. Dwyer could do all three phases, plus get outside.

As between outrunning a safety and powering through the DL, a BB has to have the power. Good defenses are keying on stopping Tech’s dive, putting increased wear on BBs and decreasing the space for acceleration and shiftiness. If the BB can’t slow down or occupy penetrating interior defensive linemen, the TO gets much easier to defend.

by first and thom on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

You see, my problem is that I can’t quit talking about football, I am not ready to see the season end, but I honestly can’t think of anything new to discuss. My feeble brain keeps going over and over the same old trodden paths.

by Atlanta's original team on Feb 9, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

if you need something new to discuss

The sterotype is that the NT in a 2-gap 3-4 defense needs to be huge so that he can command double teams. To what extent is that really true? I’ve read that in 1-gap 3-4, you don’t have to have a huge NT. So it seems to me that if you run a variation of a 3-4 without a huge NT, then running the traditional version shouldn’t automatically require a huge NT.

I think there are some 4-3 defenses that use a NT, DT, and a DT instead of 2 DT and 2 DE, yet you never hear someone say “that 4-3 variation requries a huge NT”. I doubt there has ever been a coach on 4-3 defense team that said “we run a 4-3, this guy’s too big for us”. Every coach wants the biggest DT he can get his hands on.

So I wonder just how important it is to have a huge NT in a 2-gap 3-4 defense.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me answer your question with a question...

So I wonder just how important it is to have a huge NT in a 2-gap 3-4 defense.

How important was it to have a bigger NT than Logan Walls against UVA and VPI this year?

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Gotsis

kind of in the Logan Walls mold but…bigger?

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

In that he's white?

IIRC Walls as only 6’1", 290. I think Gotsis at this point is 6’4" or 6’5" and 295, and will add another 20lb to his frame easy.

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by LilBroey700 on Feb 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Size isn't everything...

…or TJ Barnes would have started over Walls.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

White or not...

…I was thinking of build. Logan Walls still looked like he could’ve put on more weight. He had his little lineman gut, but his musculature never looked very big at all to me besides lower body. Gotsis has a big enough upper body but also still looks lean for a nose tackle. I understand he’s taller by a couple inches, but, to me, both are in a completely different mold than a Terrence Cody nose tackle (well, nose tackle/comical goal line fullback). I mean, we have TJ Barnes who does look to have more weight, but not in the muscular way…and for some reason Groh doesn’t start him. Does Groh have a history of not using the big (if less mobile) “Mount Cody” type NT’s?

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

TJ Barnes

will start this season. He does a poor job of getting under the offensive linemen and using leverage. His conditioning was also questionable. There’s more to being a lineman than being huge. Also keep in mind that Gotsis is an incoming freshman and will not look the same as an outgoing 5th year senior. It’s also unclear whether or not he’ll be a nose or end.

by acedarney on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't say

If CPJ has to watch film to evaluate line play, then who am I to evaluate NT performance based on watching the game live?

Actually, I don’t even remember the UVA game. I’m pretty sure I watched it, but I don’t remember it. I remember the VPI game better because I was there, but mostly what I remember from that game was the Attaochu incident (I didn’t see the punch, but I remember being shocked that Thomas was still moving in spite of having Attaochu riding him) and Logan Thomas gaining yard after yard despite having a defender or three attached to him.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Both games exposed how undersized we were, especially in the middle.

A 2-gap NT in the 3-4 has to be big and quick, since he can’t be pushed back against a double-team. I don’t want to get into the argument of 1-gap versus 2-gap NT schemes because honestly it doesn’t matter if you don’t have the athletes to play either.

Losing Denzel McCoy to health issues was a big blow to our competition in that area. With TJ Barnes, Shawn Green, and now Adam Gotsis hopefully we’ve helped to put it back.

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game here

but I thought poor linebacker coverage of the short passes was the killer.

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Against VPI, and especially uGA...

we were extremely vulnerable to the short crossing passes as our LBs didn’t really attack anyone coming into their zone and just watched the play.

I was talking about our D-Line getting blown back and pretty much giving up huge chunks of rushing yards to those 2 schools…

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember

Did they (UVA and UM) win on inside rushing and clock-control, then?

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever find that we keep having the same discussion over and over again?

All I know about the nose-guard/nose tackle thing is this. He needs to hold the middle. Period.

Everything we say beyond that is just fine-tuning the answer. Yes, he will need to occupy two blockers much of the time. Yes, he will be playing two gap, which means if the runner gets by him on either gap then he has been beaten on the play. And, yes, leverage and getting low seems to be the whole key to playing the middle.

I think we’ve got someone who can play the position coming in this year’s class. The question of course is whether they red-shirt, whether they beat out the person currently ahead of them on the depth chart, or whether someone we haven’t even talked about is ready after a year’s worth of experience to rise up and do what Groh has been teaching him for the last year.

by Atlanta's original team on Feb 10, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

In a 2-gap, you pretty much need a big NT

He’s got to be able to handle one blocker pretty much every time, or else the offense will have numbers and leverage to run inside and shade pass protection outside. It’s important that he hold his ground against one run blocker and be so big that the center needs help to keep the pocket from collapsing in the middle.

If you don’t have that guy (and his backup), it seems like a 1-gap scheme is better. In 1-gap, a player has a gap assignment, while a 2-gap system emphasizes having a man assignment.

by first and thom on Feb 9, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're playing a 1-gap 3-4 scheme...

You might as well call it the run-blitz defense because one of your 2 MLB will always have to crash the other A gap. Which means schematically, a 1-gap 3-4 scheme is really not all that different from a 4-3 on run downs except your other defender over the A gap is giving up 50 lbs to the OL…

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Not always

There’s a definition problem: I’d think you’re not really blitzing unless you’re sending 5 across the line. An ILB with gap responsibilities has to maintain gap discipline, but is not necessarily charging through the LOS.

UGA’s 1-gap scheme uses a lot of stunts, twists, and drop coverages to keep blockers off of ILBs, who make tackles. And we recruit large ILBs. Also, while we play gaps instead of men, the system is still designed to force teams into double teaming the nose and declare either the coverage or blocking scheme – opening up avenues for our LBs to attack the play. We use a big guy (sometimes two) to clog the middle and push plays outside, where the OLBs can make plays. Lots of snaps, one OLB will have his hand in the dirt. Sometimes we play 3 OLBs and only one 1 ILB, personell-wise (obviously, only two can actually line up on the outside).

However, Coach Grantham says that the front is dictated by the coverage, not the other way around. It seems counterintuitive, but the scheme starts with coverage/blitz calls and builds the front off of that. For example, while we play base 3-4, our nickel is 4-2-5.

Also, the 2-gap system has different terminology (bubbles instead of gaps), but has similar responsibilities. There will be a LB or DB with bubble responsibilities that put the same number of men in the box on run downs.

by first and thom on Feb 9, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you agree with this?

In the 2-gap scheme, the NT is lined up over the C, so he needs to be able to push the C straight back in order to control both A-gaps. In the 1-gap scheme, the NT is shaded to one side and therefore is able to use leverage to help push the C out of the one A-gap that the NT is responsible for. Since the 2-gap NT needs to push the C back instead of to the side, a stronger (and presumably bigger) player is required.

Let me ask this as well. How does the size of a 1-gap NT compare to a 4-3 DT? I would expect it would basically be the same type player. I other words, does going from a 4-3 to a 1-gap 3-4 require anything different with respect to the DT?

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Feb 10, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

In general terms, yes.

The 2-gap NT pretty much has to be huge, but a 1-gap NT does not. However, it helps.

In 2010, UGA was playing 4-3 DTs at the nose, and it wasn’t great. It really helps to have a dedicated big guy, especially wiht Grantham’s aggressive philosophy. A 4-3 DT has primary tackling and pass-rushing responsibilities. In our 3-4, that is not necessarily true. The DL has gap responsibilities, but the defense is designed more around forcing the offense to declare its protection around the DL, allowing the LBs to diagnose and attack the play. If the offense shifts its blocking to account for the LBs, the DL is supposed to take advantage and make the plays. Those guys, especially the nose, are also supposed to anchor against the run.

While we usually line our guys up in gaps, we don’t always do that. From a head’s up position, the NT can attack either A-gap or charge the center in a 2-gap technique. The idea is that the center will get help from the guard that borders the gap the NT attacks, and there’s no reason to give that guard free warning if you don’t have to.

Also, on both passing and running downs, the NT can adopt a 2-gap technique.

UGA has two solid NTs right now in Geathers and Jenkins, and a lot of what we do defensively is possible because of their particular skills. I’m not sure what exactly we’ll do when they’re gone.

by first and thom on Feb 10, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought we were a Basketball school

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We were.

Then Paul Hewitt happened.

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by LilBroey700 on Feb 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That was in jest...we're a football first school

In fairness to CPH, I still appreciate that 2004 season. I don’t appreciate the change in attitude and accountability once Dave noBraine gave him that ridiculous contract extension.

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This may be uncalled for, as I sense you were all joking, but I gotta let this out...

Yes, Hewitt’s final years were bad and did kill the mystique and national perception of our once-glorious basketball team (for now), BUT

We were never a “basketball-first school.” This is not only the South but functionally the Capitol of the South, and Tech still plays Dixie every time we play "Up with the White and Gold’ (the tune of Dixie is in a trumpet flourish during the words “down on the old farm.”) Sure, we love our basketball. And, absolutely, we love our baseball. But our fan identity is wrapped up in football. In the South (despite the states of Kentucky and North Carolina being parasitically “Southern”) if you want to talk about a college it will be known first by its football team. And Tech is built to always be a football-first institution. Grant Field was leveled and marked off at the hands of one John Heisman. Bear Bryant rued the games he had to march his teams out against Robert Lee Dodd. The Brave and Bold have 4 national titles and a chart-topping fight song and old rivalries with all the SEC and ACC teams that ever mattered. Let the students and fans bear the blame if Georgia Tech is ever known as a “basketball-first school.” We’re not in Kansas, ladies. We have an entire history to brag about on the gridiron.

/rantworks disengaged

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wanna run through a wall now for dramatic effect.

(I hate the offseason!!!)

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

This is what happens when you screw up the sarcasm font...

So read my basketball school comment in the appropriate font.

I distinctly remember sitting in the base of the South stands at the 2009 COFH game…where the uGA fan I was jawing with all night had the nerve to say “at least you’re a basketball school” once BeyBey dropped the 4th down pass. He said these words to me in full view of the 4 National Championships signs.

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah I totally saw the sarcasm

I just really needed to put my General Patton gear on for a second, stand in front of a big flag and rant a while. Feel free to ignore it.

Regarding the “basketball school” stab…I got the same thing from a Hokie this year. We really need to do more beating of GA and VPI.

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Feb 9, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true about Dwyer...

and kind of you to say. Dwyer had something else that separated him…defenders literally “bounced” off him when trying to make a tackle.

You could argue that the B-Back’s YPC is likely a good indicator of the effectiveness of the offense.

"If you're looking around...then we're looking around" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Feb 9, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what getting outside is for.

If they defense is so focused on stopping a fast B-back up the middle, then just run him outside.

by RamblinWreck7 on Feb 11, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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