Why Are Bowl Games Different From The Regular Season?
According to one ex-football coach who is now a talking head on TV, there is no magic to figuring out the outcome of bowl match-ups. According to him teams will pretty much do what they did all season long. Also, if you follow his logic, there is no such thing as an upset in a bowl game.
I beg to differ and not just because I am a contrarian, which I freely admit to being. I would argue that even though the regular season is a good way to gauge bowl game performance, there are some intangibles at work which are more difficult to calculate. After the jump we will dig in and open ourselves up for the onslaught of arguments that will follow.
First, let's deal with relative team strength. The single most determinative factor would appear to be football recruiting rankings if one simply wants to determine which team is the strongest in a bowl game. No surprise here, Alabama and LSU have been two of the top recruiting teams in the nation over the past 4 years with Alabama being the consistent winner of all recruiting battles. LSU over the last four years has an average rank of 6th in the nation and Alabama has finished number 1 in the nation three out of the last four years.
However, as important as recruiting is there are anomalies that show up that defy recruiting. Watching the Clemson / West Virginia game, which I turned off before the end of the first half, it was clear to me that West Virginia was going to be too much for the Tigers to handle. How did that happen when Clemson is one of the better recruiting teams in the nation and West Virginia barely breaks into the top 40 on a consistent basis? My short hand explanation would be to say that "schemes expose this team." Clemson clearly gets the material advantage against a lot of teams but so far the coaching staff has yet to figure out how to keep another team's scheme from exposing their few weaknesses. See Clemson versus Georgia Tech.
In most of the other bowl games the team with the higher recruiting ranking over the last four years won. But it is the exceptions to this rule that I find intriguing. Georgia is one of the top recruiting teams in the nation year after year yet they were beaten by a team that does not even rank in the top 20 nationally in recruiting. I could leave it to a certain "dwag" fan to explain how that happened but I have my theories.
Then there is the Virginia Tech / Michigan game. Michigan has a higher ranking in terms of recruiting but I swear for the life of me I thought Virginia Tech looked much better as a team than did Michigan. Virginia Tech had five major fowl-ups on special teams, which is not supposed to happen, leading me to believe something else was going on in this bowl game other than shear athletic ability. Likewise, I have watched the replay several times now of the Virginia Tech touchdown that was called back and I am now convinced it was actually a touchdown. My point is that Virginia Tech was fully capable of winning except for certain intangibles which we will mention in a minute.
Two other games strike me as anomalies. Wisconsin could very easily have beaten Oregon even though Wisconsin barely makes the top 50 in recruiting and Oregon is consistently in the top 20 in recruiting. Tech and Utah are virtually even in recruiting if you throw out Utah's horrible 2008 class and yet Tech looked to be the better team for most of this game.
I would argue this about bowl games. If teams simply played at the same level they played at during the season anyone could pick the outcome of a bowl game and there would never be any surprises. But something intangible happens that I can only describe anecdotally. In the first quarter of the game between Clemson and West Virginia I saw something in the body language of the Clemson players. I know there is no way to prove this but here is what I saw. Players appeared to be saying in a non-verbal way, "Coach, you did not tell us these guys were going to be this good." Then they seemed to be waiting for something to happen that would make the game break their way. It was if the team said to itself, "This game is way harder than we wanted it to be but somebody on our team will surely make a big play and then we will get into our rhythm and we will be fine." Not too long after this a West Virginia player picked up a fumble and ran it 99 yards for a touchdown. I turned the TV off because I knew the game was over.
After one considers talent and coaching as determining factors in the outcome of bowl games there are at least three other factors that are far more difficult to quantify, though I freely admit someone with more time and analytical skill might be able to predict outcomes even with these factors if they had enough data. Here are the factors:
Team Resiliency Perhaps the knock against teams like Clemson and Georgia, both of whom performed well below their relative strengths based on recruiting, is that they did not play against enough strong teams during the year. I would argue that though that is a factor even more determinative is whether or not they played in games in which they were tested and had to dig down deep in order to survive. The reason this is an intangible is that one can not simply judge this by whether or not a team played a close game or whether they came back at the end of a game to pull out the victory. The question is whether or not the other team folded or whether the other team actually was playing with confidence until the bitter end. Michigan showed resiliency against Virginia Tech and Utah showed resiliency against Georgia Tech. I would further argue that these qualities were forged in both of these teams through the course of their season. Virginia Tech, on the other hand, seemed absolutely defeated once their touchdown was taken away by the referee's call. I know this is easy for me to say with hindsight but I was convinced in my mind that the kicker was going to miss his field goal after this play. Virginia Tech never had to show resiliency through the course of their season against a team that was highly motivated, talented and playing well.
Team Youthfulness Compounding Tech's problem against Utah was the fact that in many cases you had 19 year old players lining up against 25 and 26 year old players. These older players were not just physically more mature, they had in some cases already had more life experience either from Mormon Mission tours-of-duty or advanced graduate level studies. When I briefly flirted with football in high school I noticed that some players on the team were just boys and some were at entirely different levels of maturity. I believe this comparison continues into college. It is why some players need "father figures" as coaches and some are highly self-motivated. The intangible proof for me of a team that is young is one which needs lots of reassurance during the course of the game that "coach knows what is going on and will figure out a way for us to win this game." More mature teams already know exactly what is required to win and the individual players know exactly how they are going to do this and simply step up their game.
Team Motivation Some factors have a way of canceling each other out. For instance, both Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech looked highly motivated for their bowl games but other factors previously mentioned had a mitigating effect. Still, motivation is probably the single most important factor even though it is the most difficult one to prove. Oregon was extremely motivated to win a Rose Bowl after hearing year after year that they could not win a bowl game. Tech, I believe, was similarly motivated but still had to deal with their own youthfulness as well as the other team's resiliency. West Virginia perhaps was sick and tired of hearing that the Big East is the worst conference in the country and could not wait to prove on a big stage that they play a good brand of football. Likewise, they had demonstrated lots of resiliency through the course of their season, something lacking in the under motivated Clemson squad. Finally, in Michigan State we saw a team motivated as well as excited to be in a bowl game. Georgia, even with far more raw talent, acted like they could just go through the motions and pull this one out.
Now let the second guessing begin. Can coaching overcome these intangibles? Can Alabama live up to the level of its athletic superiority and beat LSU? Next season will Florida State finally be as good as their recruiting rankings say they should be? Will Tech be a better team next season by virtue of being older and wiser? Will Clemson ever be as good as their talent? Will teams like Georgia and Virginia Tech figure out that they need to play and win difficult games during the season so they can build resiliency for bowl games? Will Oregon start to recruit better and better classes based on their rising national reputation? What are your insights on the intangible factors that determine bowl game outcomes?
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My guess is rooted in probability theory...
in that we’ve by no means seen large enough of a sample size to determine any correlative factors for Bowl game success. To me, Tech losing 7 bowl games in a row is very similar to going to Vegas and seeing the Roulette board lit up with 7 previous black numbers in a row. Unless the level of competition is consistently disproportionate, it should be just as probable for Tech to pull upset Wins as it is to suffer upset Losses.
First, it’s not going to predict any outcomes for next year. We’re just as likely to lose next year and make it 8 in a row. But then again, we’re also just as likely to start an 8-game winning streak in Bowl games.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Can't argue with that.
But do you think, unlike a roulette wheel, that the pressure ratchets up a little more each time black numbers keep coming up?
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Should it affect the way you bet?
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Jan 5, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't bet but . . .
Yes. Sports psychology is real. People are not random machines.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there is anything special
I think it comes down to the competition level. There are no bad bowl teams. There may be some mediocre bowl teams, but the 6 win reqiurement helps ensure that the bad teams stay at home. I think you allude to this a bit, albeit in a roundabout way. So, a team that appeared to be a decent team in the regular season, thanks to blowing out weak opponents, can get exposed in bowl season when forced to play an opponent of a comparable record, but of higher caliber. This is what happend to GT. A lot of the stats look real good, but the reality is that there was a lot of feasting on what turned out to be bad teams and that masked the struggle against the better teams.
My guess is that if you were to look at team quality with emphasis on strength of schedule and performance against teams known to be legitmately good, then you would find that the bowl games results are not out of line with expectations. The truly good teams win and the decent teams lose, with an occasional good team getting upset (or laying an egg, depending on your point of view).
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 5, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I guess that is what I was saying with the exception that . . .
I think Tech was a better team than Utah, Virginia Tech was a better team than Michigan and Georgia was a better team than Michigan State. Clemson was not better than West Virginia but I don’t think they were as bad as they showed nor that West Virginia was as good as they appeared. If I believed that then I would also have to believe that it was West Virginia that deserved to get the rematch with LSU and not Alabama.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe.
VaTech was a big reach for the Sugar Bowl – lots of people think that the Sugar Bowl spot should have gone to Boise or TCU instead. UGA and Sparty were ranked 16/17 coming into the game, I think. I’m not sure there was a clear upset there. UGA has more recruiting stars than MSU, but that’s hardly the highest-correlating way to measure team quality.
Half of all teams have to lose their bowl game, and most bowls have good enough matchups to make the games interesting. It’s really hard to beat good teams, even if you have a good team.
by first and thom on Jan 5, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Va Tech was a reach for the Sugar Bowl also until the game started
Then I saw that they were clearly the equal of the competition and should have won if not for some crazy things that happened.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the difference on paper between Va Tech and Michigan before the game started was nothing compared
to the difference between Georgia and Michigan State before their game started. Michigan State had no business being on the same field with Georgia, that is, until the game started.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what you're talking about
I think you might be trying to insult UGA, but it’s coming across as trashing MSU. Sparty’s defense is the real deal, its offense is experienced, and its coaching is solid. MSU and UGA played roughly similar schedules to identical records, and had good stastical matchups.
I think UGA had that game for the winning, but we made turnovers, got conservative, and didn’t execute at crucial plays. But MSU did plenty to win, too. The Spartans played lights-out run defense and made big plays on offense when it counted.
by first and thom on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
You are a gracious in your loss
And no, I was not trying to be insulting. The insult was from those who denigrated Virginia Tech being in the Sugar Bowl. They too had every right to be there. My point is that if one is going to say they had no right to be there then one would also have to say the same about Michigan.
As for Georgia I saw plenty of indication this past season that they were a good team. Even against LSU I saw that. The problem with a team the caliber of LSU is that if you have any weaknesses at all they will find them sooner or later and shred you to pieces. West Virginia played them well for a while also but if you are not a complete team you suddenly get exposed.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 6, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
We need the Dues

What’s our taste of the gate for UVA, VT, GT, , Wake, etc.
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 7, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Bowls aim for match-ups.
The selection process is supposed to yield teams that roughly equivalent playing each other. This statement is very, very general, but the selection process for the better half of the bowls should leave the bowls picking the best teams they can from the conferences with which they are bound. (There are other factors, like bowls picking teams that will travel well or who are located near the bowl site).
For example, the 2009 Tech team would have likely handled Air Force or Utah State, but Iowa was too much.
I think Tech also has to continue to gather data on the effect of opposing defenses having extra time to prepare. As I recall, subtracting out season-opening games, Tech performs significantly worse against teams who have two weeks or more to prepare than it does against teams that have less than two weeks. It’s probably an exaggeration to say that the extra week allows teams to “figure out” the option, but it doesn’t seem all that unlikely that additional prep time helps teams prepare for the novelty of the option game. Bowl games are a particularly good way to test this theory (except for the small sample size) because teams have roughly equal prep time and you should only face quality opponents.
Sagarin rankings
These are dated through 12/31 which muddies the water a bit, but let’s take a look:
GT: Rank: 53 (SOS: 70)
Utah: 37 (43)
Clemson: 24 (44)
West Virgina: 30 (62)
Virginia Tech : 27 (63)
Michigan: 11 (39)
Georgia: 18 (30)
Michigan State: 19 (38)
Clemson laid the egg (upset winners don’t score a record number of points). Georiga-Michigan State was evenly matched, as evidenced by the 3OT. Georiga might have won if they had any decent and healthy running backs. Virginia Tech and GT did better than expected, though each lost, as expected by Sagarin’s numbers.
I don’t think we are seeing anything really different than what we might expect during the regular season.
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions
That makes sense but Tech was an overwhelming pick by most experts before the game
and these same experts seemed equally sure that Virginia Tech was going to lose. Admittedly, Virginia Tech did lose but the game was not as conclusive as the pregame opinions were. Or let’s put it another way. Whether both Techs won or both Techs lost the pregame experts would consider at least one game to be an upset.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
But I agree with you about Clemson
Regardless of Sagarin ratings or strength of schedule, if any team puts up 70 points on you it is not an upset. My thesis is that the “upset” was not the loss but the failure to ever leave the hotel room and show up at the stadium. It is that phenomenon that I am trying to get at by looking at intangibles.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 5, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Intangibles
I think what happens is that sometimes the players don’t realize that in a bowl games there are no easy opponents. Regardless of the stats and spreads, you have to come to the game prepared. Now, you would think this would be obvious just by looking at the previous year’s results or even the current season’s regular season results and its upsets. However, human beings are lousy teachers and each new crop of players has to learn (or re-learn) through personal experience the very thing they are being told by the coaches. And so I think the players somtimes just go through the motions in practice and come gameday they get whipped because they are not prepared, particularly mentally, to play their best.
Also, a player that is really talented may recognize that if he plays at 80% of his ability, he is still better than the other guy playing at 100%. That can lead to laziness. The problem then becomes if several players play at 80%, the gap between the strong team and weak team is not what would be expected and consequently the weak team isn’t weaker but is actually competitive. Sometimes the players on the strong team can recover in-game, start playing near their full ability, and pull out the victory. But sometimes the players don’t make the switch soon enough and run out of time.
Regarding motivation, I think a lot of it just comes to down to the individual personalities. Some players can always motivate themselves, others require a bit of external pressure, and some guys can’t be motivated unless they want to be. Some coaches have reputations for being able to motivate players, others not so much. I hear some complaints that CPJ is not a good motivator, and some of his comments in press conference do suggest that he isn’t a fan of going rah-rah-rah to get a player motivated. I suspect that this has to do with CPJ’s personality. He’s said that he is “wired” to be competitive and to want to win. So the idea that a player isn’t motivated is at some level probably a foreign concept to CPJ. Also, I suspect that it partially comes to a practical reason as well. He has to teach and organize 85 scholarship players, a couple dozen walk-on players, and several assistant coaches all the while getting himself prepared for the games and practices, performing administrative and recruiting duties, and attending outside engagements (e.g. media obligations). So he really doesn’t have a lot of time be leading pep rallies. I think he recognizes the importance of having motivated players. I also think his preference would be to take lesser talent that is self-motivating over better talent that requries a daily pep rally. I don’t know if that’s a good idea or not, but if self-motivated players fit his style better, then to recruit unmotivated players would likely be self-defeating in the long term.
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 6, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
More about intangibles . . .
With regard to your point about the player who is better but plays at 80% of his capacity and does not recover his performance level in time to pull out the game there is also a related problem to this. When a player who is better (and a team that is better) do not play their best and the other team becomes competitive, the other team does not think “Oh, they’re not really trying and that is why we are ahead.” No, what they think is, “Gee, these guys are not as good as I thought and we can beat them.” Teams that gain confidence through the course of a game rarely lose in my opinion. They actually not only hit peak performances they often hit levels of performance that represent career highs. Even superior teams have trouble overcoming a team that is on that kind of roll.
As for CPJ and motivation he has clarified the misunderstanding about his comments on more than one occasion. He did not say that he does not try to motivate his players, what he said was that he did not think it made much difference if the individual player had no self motivation. He continues to try but when he says, “Ultimately it is up to them and if they can’t get motivated for a game that is this important there is not much I can say or do that will change that” I think that is empirically true.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Most folks may have picked GT, but
the largest spread I saw was 2.5, maybe 3. I wouldn’t call that overwhelming.
That said, if GT came pretty close to winning despite missing Young, Smith, Uzzi, and Sims pregame and losing Burnett during the game. And I think I’m leaving someone out, though I can’t think of who it is.
I think CPJ had this team ready to play and had an opponent of comparable caliber, but the missing players exposed the lack of depth, particularly on the OL, and GT wasn’t able to keep up.
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
By overwhelming I was referring to the number of experts picking not the spread as you pointed out
But I think the reason the point spread was small had to do with the fact that the people working the betting line saw this one as a toss up. Personally, I picked Tech to lose. In retrospect that was a lucky guess. I thought Tech would come in as usual with its timing off and its offense having trouble. I picked against Oregon for the same reason. I was wrong in both cases in terms of the preparation level.
I still say that of all the factors that turned Tech’s “win” into a loss, youth was the primary culprit. Older more experienced teams are less likely to choke when they have a fourteen point lead and the ball in the fourth quarter.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 6, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Two others out: Preston Lyons and Orwin Smith
Preston hurt an ankle during the game (though he had a productive first half), and Orwin was battling more turf toe on his right foot.
I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.
Losing the game was disappointing but when taken in perspective it is amazing Tech played so well
I still wish they had won and still think it was a won game that got blown but those who say having weeks to prepare for Tech makes the offense not work have now been proven to be totally full of it. In the first half even the announcers were marveling at how much faster Tech looked than Utah. Later in the game they marveled that Tech was able to drive so effectively for a potential game winning field goal.
And they did all of that missing half a dozen key players and starters.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 6, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
West Virginia hasn't scored that many times
since their last Family Reunion.
…if you go to Family Reunions to pick up chicks, you might be a redneck… Foxworthy
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 5, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions
If your family tree doesn't fork...
you might be a redneck.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Jan 5, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If your pickup has curtains
but not your Singlewide….
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 6, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions
If your rich relative buys a new house...
…and you have to go help take the wheels off of it.
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 6, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
If your Dad walks you to school
‘cause you’re in the same grade….
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 6, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions
If you begin or end a sentence with the word "Buddy"
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Jan 6, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 7, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions
Hijacked, stolen . . .
and the car was found in the woods up on blocks with the wheels off.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 8, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
If you mow the jungle that is your lawn
and run into a 53 Ford on blocks….
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 8, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
But when all is said and done aren't we glad we are not Clemson.
No question mark required on that sentence.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 8, 2012 7:39 AM EST reply actions
Can you imagine North Avenue
with a lake?
No more Spring suntanning at Grant Beach (not that you can wander in any longer)!
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 8, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not to take away from the point here...
…but a manmade river and lake are actually in the GT campus master plan.
But then again so was a soccer field for that womens’ team we were supposed to have by now.
I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.
And totally off the point here but . . .
some 50 years ago there was a plan to turn Atlanta into a port city by dredging rivers, building canals, connecting to navigable rivers and connecting to the ocean. Thank goodness someone realized the insanity of that level of assault on mother nature.
by Atlanta's original team on Jan 8, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thank Robert Fulton for that one!
But Fulton County was named for the Coroner.
That would have left Denver as the only BIG City NOT on water.
You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!
by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 8, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

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