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REFLECTING ON BOWL LOSERS: Are Losses Always Bad? Can Anything Good Come Out of A Loss? Is There Such A Thing as A Good Loss?

When losers become winners.

When one thinks of losing in sports what comes to mind? Is it stirring back ground music with an apocalyptic voice intoning about, "The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat?" Or are your nightmares less romantic, filled with self doubts, low esteem and anxiety about whether you will ever amount to anything? Do you want to go poison trees at Toomer's Corner the way that whacked out Alabama fan did after a loss to Auburn?

I don't know which coach first said it but many coaches have repeated the dictum that losing produces no good thing. Then there is Lombardi, one of the most admired coaches in history, who purportedly said, "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing." We respect that no-nonsense, General Patton-like approach even though in real life we sometimes see how losses can create a better person. We could go on but let's cut to the chase with a few basic reflections on those teams that have to incubate like a fetus for the next nine months knowing that they are losers.

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Let's begin by saying the obvious. Some teams seem to get better after a loss and some teams seem to crumble. Trying to analyze why this is conjures up a quote from the preacher in Ecclesiastes, "Again I saw under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to the skillful; but time and chance happen to them all." Since we don't know all of the variables of character, timing and chance involved it is only after the fact that we attribute character traits like toughness, tenacity, resilience or any of those other things that seem to cause some people to bounce back after adversity while others are left crushed.

Consider this. An unscientific reading of the blogs after LSU's loss finds that only about 1 in 10 people commenting thanked their team for a great season. The rest spoke disparagingly of particular coaches, especially Les Miles, and called out individual players by name. Several comments were along the lines of how this last loss ruined the entire season for them. I noticed that it was mainly non-LSU fans who have posted on various sites that pointed out it was going to be really difficult to beat any good team twice in one season, let alone Alabama.

Now consider this. Most experts are picking LSU to be either the number one or number two team in the nation in their preseason voting for next Fall. Clearly the thinking is that this loss revealed no terminal flaws in LSU as well as the belief that they will only work harder after this loss.

Now let us consider the humiliation, dare I say, the public castration of Clemson. This loss was so embarrassing that many professional talking heads seem to have just kind of averted their eyes. Yes, you have to talk about it because it happened and it is sports news, but "Lord, let us not dwell on it," seems to be the attitude. An unscientific survey of Clemson blogs reveals that only about 1 person in 25 feels at all good about the season or the prospects for next year. Popular sentiment is calling for Dabo's head, various coaches including the strength and conditioning coach and the defensive coordinator. Many are despondent that most of this team is young and will be around for awhile. There is such a consensus that a general house cleaning is needed from top to bottom that there are informally organized efforts to withhold money from the school until changes are made.

Which leads to our next consideration. Clemson is being picked by several experts to compete with FSU next season for a spot in the top five in the nation. Now let this soak in a moment. West Virginia is not projected in the top five nor is Alabama, at least not in any poll I have seen.

Georgia is projected by at least a few voters so far as being as high as 3rd in the nation next season. This coming after a pretty near total destruction by LSU. But Georgia fans were not nearly as spiteful after their bowl loss as were LSU fans. Does losing on a more regular basis make you more philosophical, more emotionally balanced? I am not suggesting that. And, to be sure there were the usual weirdo Georgia fans calling for Richt to be fired. My suspicion is that these are the same fans who masquerade as Georgia Tech fans and call for Johnson's firing after every difficult loss.

So what should we expect of Georgia Tech next season given that losers are given a second chance in sports? Will they continue to climb as is projected for LSU, Clemson and Georgia? Here is what we do know. As much as the bowl loss hurt, if Tech only gets better next season we will have fewer and fewer regrets. We will see the loss not as "a good loss" but as simply one of the steps along the way on an upward climb toward greatness. That makes no sense now but it will if the overall trend is positive.

Of course after the fact we will claim that there was something inherent in this team, some strength of character that allowed them to forge steel out of a baptism of fire. We will see every virtue of body and spirit through the clear lenses of hindsight. Losses may produce "no good thing" but if a team gets better afterward then it allows us to create a new mythology about our team's indomitable spirit. And since sports are primarily about creating myths in the first place then that becomes a good thing to many.

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Clemson and LSU

I think the issue with Clemson and LSU is how they lost. LSU should not have been shutout and should not have lost by 20+ points. Clemson should not have surrendered 70+points and, more depressing/maddening/upsetting, apparently had players quiting on the game.

Had those teams been in competetive until the closing minutes of the game, then I think the fans’ tune would be much different. It’s one thing to show up and get beat, it’s another thing to not show up (figuratively speaking) or to not be prepared.

by Dive Keep and Pitch on Jan 10, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

A lot of it is human nature...

but the last result tends to be the one that sticks with you. From a big-picture perspective, I would argue that an 8-5 Tech season was meeting the “expectation” given the level of talent, youth, and experience.

Winning the first 6 certainly altered those expectations since it meant the games in the second half of the season were more meaningful. The teams we lost to all went to a Bowl game…and only Miami didn’t finish 1st or 2nd in their Conference division. Most of those games were competitive as well.

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 10, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I agree totally

When I was reading all of the vitriol from LSU fans I found myself wondering if they would have been less angry if they had had the kind of season Tech had. I am not totally serious but they had gotten so sky high with their fantastic season and then to have such a sub-par performance really put it all down the toilet for some fans.

I have to say, as little of the game as I watched I found it to be totally boring and anticlimactic.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 10, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning those first six

may have changed the perception of people not actually watching the games, but I don’t think many of us felt that Tech was a legitimate top 15 team. I know I didn’t, and it’s pretty well documented here.

I also don’t know any Tech fans calling for Johnson to be fired, but maybe I just don’t know the right ones.

The bowl loss was disappointing, especially after it looked as if the game was in hand, but it was as close as it could be.

Tech still came within the VPI game of winning the division. That’s not bad for an off year.

Now I’ll just spend the off season with unreasonable expectations for Vad Lee’s debut.

by CraigT on Jan 10, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would agree with you that these are not Tech fans that are calling for Johnson to be fired. But they masquerade as such usually on ESPN blogs. They also continue to say over and over again that he runs a high school offense that any team with time to prepare will beat.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Your love for Paul Johnson is astounding...

Just because a coach is “better than Chan Gailey” doesn’t make him a good coach. He still has a lot to prove.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll stand up for Mr. Original...

Love is an unfair word. I’m more in the camp of “happy to have him” as coach. He’s proven to accomplish more than most coaches would given similar talent. We are competitve in just about every game we play, and have 2 divisions and an ACC title in 4 years.

Still has a lot to prove? Like what? That he can win a conference championship? That he can win 2/3 of his games? What is this standard that you have set before you deem him “proven”?

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sigh...

I don’t understand some GT fans. I guess you consider an 0-4 bowl record silly…

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

So from reading your comments...

“If he’d have only won the games that he lost…”

Does this sum it up?

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 13, 2012 6:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Read your comment again,

And then realize that the answer is quite obvious. Yes, it is good if your win the games instead of losing them…

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So perfection is the expectation?

Because if not, it sounds like you’d be more interested in 4 years of 7-6 as long as the last 2 wins were against uGA and the Bowl game.

Which is a ridiculous idea, but if it floats your boat I’d rather take the approach that we’re on…

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 14, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Since UGA is the most important game of the year...

I don’t see why you wouldn’t want to beat them every year.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

So those ACC games against Clemson and VPI don’t mean squat? I mean, they generally decide whether we get the opportunity to play in an ACC title game and a BCS bowl…

But you’re right, COFH is more important…

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 14, 2012 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ummm...

I thought that it was obvious that the UGA game is the most important game.

And just because Clemson is not as important doesn’t mean that I don’t want us to beat them lol. What’s your unusual point? I want us to win every game.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 17, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There are professional sports writers who grade coaching hires and . . .

even the most skeptical pundits now agree that hiring him was an A. He has exceeded expectations.

I guess two people can look at the same thing and see totally different things. I understand that. But it does not make since to judge someone by a best case or perfect scenario rather than judging them by their record. Tech was going nowhere when he took over, let alone on the way to division winners, a conference championship and four bowl games.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that Paul Johnson was a bad hire.

I’m just not happy when I see our team get hindered by questionable play calling offensively and defensively. Sometimes coach Johnson and Al Groh are too stubborn to adapt or change and they just keep doing the same thing to prove a point, like they were right or something.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

First off I'd like him to win a bowl game.

That is the measurement of your coaching abilities. You are usually going up against a pretty evenly matched team, but for some reason we have fallen short in all 4 games that he has been the head coach.

Also, I’ve seen to many games where he starts calling bad offensive plays and he keeps going to them. I don’t know if it is stubborness or something else, but he needs to fix it.

And you have to win your games against UGA, it’s as simple as that. He gets a pass because he has only played 4 games, but 3 straight losses, 2 against inferior teams, is pushing it.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

And we have more talent than you give us credit for.

Don’t give Paul Johnson all the credit for winning the games but abstaining him from credit for the losses.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

We have discussed his play calling on this site many times.

Here is what I think the consensus is from the “Paul lovers” as you would call him.

1. We are unhappy with the predictability and conservative nature of some of his calls in key situations.
2. We give him credit for being smart enough to see what we see. Since coaches often know a little more about what is going on than even those most involved fans we tend to give the benefit of the doubt and caution patience to those who do not recognize that he is still compensating for lack of skill at certain positions as well as having a very immature team.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 13, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

At least he finally used the shotgun in the bowl game.

That gives me hope that he is willing to change for the better.

by RamblinWreck7 on Jan 13, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Jay Cutler Theory

They drafted him high because they thought he could handle the adversity of the NFL after playing at Vandy. The proof of the Theory’s validity is found in the “Vince Young” corelary, although the test sample of 1 with Cutler does not provide a large enough of an “n” to properly power the study to Statistical Sample to a “p” value approaching 94.5%.

Let’s hope that GT learns from the negative results over the past few years.

You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 10, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Fascinating

But to restate my underlying premise, football is a vehicle that is tailor made for creating myths. Though it is anecdotally true that adversity appears to make some players and some teams stronger, proof of this is always after the fact. If Clemson, LSU and Georgia (for instance) should all rise to new heights next season we will construct all kinds of myths about how they over came adversity or used adversity to get better. As human beings we love reading that stuff.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why CFB is so compelling, as are sports in general.

Every year can be The Year. With every February comes the hope that a special player or group of players will be the foundation of a great season, or fit a hole in an already good team. We may look 2 years down the line as these 18 year old’s mature (or not), and it doesn’t seem to me that our system or Bowl performance keeps away guys like the Alabama QB who switched to GT.

It seems to be more about the relationship with the coaches and the ability to play or at least compete NOW rather than sit behind a Tebowesque player/legend for several years.

You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of recruiting . . .

I have found myself the last few weeks going to the recruiting boards to see where there are still offers hanging out there and players that have not yet committed. Two things strike me when I look at these lists. One is that Tech is going up against some real powerhouse schools this year and if even one or two more of these multiple star players commit to Tech this will be a truly amazing class.

The second thing that strikes me is wondering how in the world Auburn has so many scholarships to offer. I swear, they offer a scholarship to every player in the country who is four star or higher. If even a fifth of those players say “yes” Auburn is going to be reneging on several of their offers. This looks really, really unethical to me.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 11, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Auburn, Alabama, and LSU (the SEC West pretty much) are considered the worst offenders by oversigning.com

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the site. I don't know why I did not know about it.

I had been going to recruiting lists and adding up all the offers of teams and that is when I discovered Auburn would be in trouble if all of their offers were accepted. This site does all the work for me. HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE BIG PROBLEM: This is a forbidden site according to my server. Even when I try to access it by going to other sites that link to it I am forbidden from accessing it. I have been able to go to a few places where people have copied the text from the site. But my computer practically has convulsions if I try to link on anything related to Nick Saban versus oversigning.com

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all funny math anyway...

25+25+25+25 is still > 85

Nice of the SEC to make a token gesture at some sort of recruiting ethics, but if you add a redshirt year in there it’s still possible for SEC schools to get 125 kids to sign over a rolling 5 years…and dump 40 of them.

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 11, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

What would really be scary . . .

would be if SEC schools have a calculated formula based on how many players get injured each year, how many flunk out and how many drop out or transfer and they use that to help determine how many over signings they are going to be involved in.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 11, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Paaawwwwlllll

Them Auburn people oversign, then pay cash for the rest. LSU too.

Ima hang up ’n lissen.

You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 11, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a little more complicated.

If a team signed 25 every year, and everybody qualified, redshirted, and stayed 5 years, you’d have to cut 40 kids. But teams don’t sign 25 a year, not everybody qualifies, some people don’t redshirt, and not everybody stays 5 years. Of a 25 person class, you need only 8 departures over 5 years to get 17, your magic number. That’s less than two per class per year – even from a team that signs up to its limit regardless of available scholarships.

Florida and UGA have consistently stayed under scholarship limits. UGA had 8 scholarships left over this year after bringing in a full class where all but one player qualified. Over the course of four years, oversigning teams (including Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas) have had the benefit of a full extra recuriting class over teams that do not oversign.

by first and thom on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We know who the habitual offenders are...

and realize CMR abides with this. I would have no problem with a school signing 30 kids if they had 30 legitimate slots. It’s the open slots that these schools “create” above the natural attrition brought by graduation and transfers that is unethical…and makes a mockery of the educational systems they represent.

"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson

by TBuzz on Jan 11, 2012 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It is for this reason...

…that I propose the entire ACC implement the “Accidents Happen” system of fully legal oversigning. That injured 3rd year kicker never really gonna play again and is taking up a “nobility scholarship?” No problem. There are so many accidents that can happen on a college campus. On an unrelated note – the athletic association wouldn’t be connected to campus construction teams right? I mean, a lot of those construction workers could be fans. Fans who happen to know whose scholarships are preventing progress. Fans who know how to drive that dump truck over a curb and right onto a sidewalk in front of the athletic dining hall. Unfortunate how he died…but hey….accidents happen. He would want his scholly to be used to the fullest so let’s go recruit!

I met her on the campus, sir, cheering the Brave and Bold.

by GT_Jason on Jan 11, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You jest with sarcasm dripping from your jowls.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 13, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Or, on a different but related topic . . .

It was predictable that as the LSU / Alabama game wound down the announcer was going to say something to the effect of, “Well ladies and gentlemen, there may have been some doubts before this game about whether or not we could determine a true national champion after this game but after tonight’s performance you have to agree that there is no longer any doubt and I can’t imagine that any voter would vote for any team other than the one that won tonight.”

We knew they would say this regardless of how the game went but not just because by virtue of broadcasting the game they are paid to say that. And, not just because we have been hearing the same thing about one bowl game every year for at least the last 30 years. They also said it because humans are myth making creatures. Myths reassure us about the structure of things and how things work. We fool ourselves into believing sometimes that this makes life more manageable or predictable.

Personally, I love myths.

by Atlanta's original team on Jan 10, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

AKA the Ghost of Christmas Present

In “Scrooged”.

“The bitch hit me with a toaster”. Bill Murray

You'd do it for Randolph Scott!
RANDOLPH SCOTT!

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

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