TEN MORE Teams Want to Join the ACC: Who are they?
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintAccording to ACC Commissioner John Swofford after Pittsburgh and Syracuse joined the ACC the number of schools left that still wanted to join the ACC totaled in double digits. Let's take the lowest double digit we can think of and pin down after the jump who these other 10 teams are.
In no particular order the remaining schools that would like to join the ACC are most likely Rutgers, Connecticut, West Virginia, Kansas, Texas, Texas Tech, South Florida, Louisville and Central Florida. Clearly not all of these schools would be a good match for the ACC but that does not keep them from expressing an interest in joining. The question is, assuming that there are still more schools out there that have expressed an interest, who are they? Could it be the Service Academies? Are some SEC schools thinking of bolting? Is there any truth to the rumor that Penn State is thinking of returning to its dream of an Eastern Power Conference? O.K., at some point we just start making stuff up. But seriously, what is your guess as to the remaining 10 (or more) schools that are aching to get into the ACC and which two in the end would we want?
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I would also add ECU to the schools applied to the ACC list
And I am not at all surprised if the ACC tries to go after Penn State. It most likely will never be reported, but I wouldn’t doubt that it would try.
Don't give up, don't ever give up ~ Jim Valvano
Penn State is a rumor that will not go away
just like Florida State leaving the ACC (which I don’t believe) is also a rumor that will not go away.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's just wrap up the coastal markets
New York, Boston, Washington DC, Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte and everything else in between
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by Winfield Featherston on Sep 19, 2011 7:52 AM EDT reply actions
Then we will add UConn
And probably Rutgers, ugh… Seriously, does anyone want Rutgers as part of the ACC? I don’t even want UConn…
Also, on your list of cities, you forgot Philly. There aren’t any good schools in or near Philly worth considering (sorry Temple), but Syracuse and Pitt probably help lock that up. If we could get Penn State that would work, but I doubt that will ever happen.
Two are right here in NC
It is not a state secret that ECU would like to be in NC. The academics are more like UGa than UNC, but it could easily make the competitive jump. The problem is the Pirates offer nothing to the ACC. Eastern NC is already in the ACC TV market and I bet there are as many UNC fans in Greenville as there are ECU followers.
The other is FCS member Appalachian State. They just completed a study about moving up and stated publicly they will do so when they can find a conference membership at the FBS level.
The way Swofford worded the statement about “ten schools,” it could be as simple as Iowa State asking if the ACC would reject the Cyclones out of hand if they applied, or would the discussions be serious. We know Texas had discussions, but probably not much interest in joining. That may have included Texas Tech. The Kansas media was all agog this weekend with the possibility the Jayhawks might be joining the ACC. Further east, I would be surprised if Louisville and Cincinnati were not on the list.
It doesn’t take long to get ten names on the list, but the only two that matter are UConn and Rutgers. That said, if Penn State were really interested (which is almost beyond far fetched) Rutgers would be off the list.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Seneca
"We have to distrust each other. It is our only defense against betrayal." - Tennessee Williams
So when it comes to plausible rumors we could find closer to 15 teams wanting in
but in your opinion the realistic choices would be
(1) UConn
(2) Rutgers
with Penn State going to the top of the list if that were at all feasible.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time I came up with my list of who is asking I would end up changing it because of counter rumors I was reading on other blogs. In my confusion I inadvertently left some teams off that probably should be on. At different times I had Cincinnati and Louisville but changed the list several times. I completely missed Iowa State.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No way App State is a candidate.
I just really don’t see, with other options available, an FCS school moving straight into a BCS conference. UConn did it with the Big East a few years back, but I think that situation was probably different.
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by LilBroey700 on Sep 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but they have certainly expressed interest.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Seneca
"We have to distrust each other. It is our only defense against betrayal." - Tennessee Williams
Yes.
I think the ACC wants to keep its footprint as small as possible. Fans want to go to games and travel distances are important. But, more important is TV money. NJ, NY, and Conn are a rich TV market. While Syracuse helps, they are 250 miles from Manhattan. Rutgers is a 30-minute train ride into Penn Station. I know, as I used to work right next to the Rutgers campus in Piscataway, NJ.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Seneca
"We have to distrust each other. It is our only defense against betrayal." - Tennessee Williams
When I was in the under-30 crowd I lived for a while in Madison, NJ. I have to say I really enjoyed a lot about N.J., especially being able to get into Manhattan on public transportation. I still don’t think Rutgers is a bad choice but they do not get much love for some reason.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
little success athletically brings little love
If Rutgers went to the ACC though that late February baseball match up against the Scarlet Knights would actually mean something
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by Winfield Featherston on Sep 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand but there is huge potential and a HUGE upside
Let’s just take football which seems to be the area everyone is concerned about.
Rutgers has gone undefeated twice in the “modern era” -1961 and 1976
I believe they were 11-2 in 2006 but I would have to check. They also defeated NCST in a bowl in 2008, I think. As a matter of fact Rutgers had 5 consecutive winning seasons leading up to 2010. That year the season fell apart at the end due in part to a demoralizing spinal injury to a player.
Call me crazy but I am one of those people who think some teams actually get better when they move to a better conference. I think Rutgers is one of those schools. I also think Syracuse is another team that will be helped.
The HUGE upside is the NY market. Some of my misspent youth was in New Jersey and New York. Contrary to popular opinion people up there will on occasion watch a college football game. The problem in the past has been that it was a hard market for Tech to break into. I saw one Tech game on TV the entire time I lived in that area years ago. That would change once all of these teams in the New York market are part of the same conference.
Heck, I can even watch Tech on TV in Massachusetts now, something that I probably could not have done prior to BC joining the conference.
I like the footprint.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Rutgers put up those winning seasons against Big East opponents.
Ugh. Please no, not Rutgers…
Will be interesting to watch
Nice pre-emptive strike by ACC.
Alot of people are talking about this being a great basketball move, but that is not why it was made. It was made to make sure that when the music stops the ACC has a chair and it does.
Fans are complaining too much about the fb perception. ACC doesn’t need ‘power’ FB additions. What is needs is for the previous ‘power’ teams to start looking like power teams. If Miami and FSU were both Top 10 program like the beginning of the century no one would be talking about a weak ACC. Get the right coaches and win games.
I think the ACC will now sit back and wait a little to see how some other things play out. They have put themselves in a good position and really boxed some other conferences in.
BE is done as a BCS qualified FB conference. At least 3-4 more of the teams will eventually end up elsewhere. Have to have at least 8 FB schools to be part of the BCS.
I think ACC will approach ND at some point. ND has all their Olympic sports parked in the BE. What do they do if they now need to find a new home for those teams. They really have 2 options – Big 10 or ACC. What if you have to be in a conference in order to play in whatever system is eventually coming?
Big 12 could be done soon, have to wait and see. TX was surprised by the ACC move and wasn’t expecting it. That is why they are back talking to the PAC 12 – but the Pac 12 is not just giving in.
SEC found itself boxed in. ACC schools were smart – get all 12 schools to buy in and then show it with a huge buyout. Reportedly the ACC starting working with the schools over a yr ago to secure everyone and pursue expansion when the opportunity presented itself. Apparently the ACC was quiet – but that is not to be confused with being inactive.
Read an article today that SEC may try to get to 14 and then hold for some time. They aren’t sure who 14 will be – though Missou and WVU seem to be the most likely and then they don’t like any of their options right now to get to 16.
ACC also managed to take 2 potential targets off the board for Big 10 (maybe really 4 given GT and MD are solid to the ACC). Big 10 now has to decide how it might want to decide.
It appears not many saw the ACC move coming and it is going to cause confusion for a little while until conferences sort out what to do next. Meanwhile pretty much every BE school and most Big 12 schools are looking for a soft landing spot.
I believe the ACC will ultimately go to a 4 pod system. It works incredibly well for bot FB and BB.
south (Miami, FSU, GT, CLemson), NC (UNC, NC ST, Wake, Duke), North (BC, Pitt, Syracuse, 1 other), Mid-atlantic (UVA, VT, MD, 1 other).
You play the 3 in your pod every year and rotate two of the other pods every year taking 4 yrs to play the other 3 home and away. 9 conference games.
In BB you play your pod home and away and play the other 3 pods once – 18 games.
RamblinRed
by RamblinRed on Sep 19, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nicely said.
I am also tied of the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the northeast about mean ole ACC destroying the Big East. Who was it that raided Conference USA a few years ago to create the Big East? Is the Big East sacred simply because ESPN and Dick Vitale like them so much? Come on. I have heard enough of it. No one wants to be left out of the last life boat, and the best way to avoid that is to be line early.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Seneca
"We have to distrust each other. It is our only defense against betrayal." - Tennessee Williams
THIS right here
Better to have died a small boy than to drop this football - John Heisman FromTheRumbleSeat
by Winfield Featherston on Sep 19, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Potential ACC options
This is coming from an article on Rutgers and lays out what one official says is ACC’s game plan.
Plan A – TX and ND
Plan B – TX and TX Tech
Plan C – UConn and Rutgers
If there is any truth to this it plays into the idea that ACC will take its time and see if it can put itself in good enough position to pull off a big win.
RamblinRed
potential options
I did a quick poll of 2 TCU alum- not likely for ACC
Penn state is interesting maybe for Hockey they could do a 2 team conference in hockey.
All gotr has said he will use his imfluence ot fine the conference 8M is the folrida schools and georgia form a “Citris Quad” since the historical data on orange groves in georgia fails to pass his world view of global warming.
Each quad could be aligned with one seldom do well team. that could motivate the dukes and newbies to overachieve,
I would like to See Georgia state get a chance in the ACC. Coach Bill Curry is aces in my book and his endorsement of protecting athletes post concussion TBI is commendable
so for quads we have Atlantic, coast, carolina (yes clemson no WFU), and citrus (4 southern rnost schools).
Get a bid on that brooklyn basketball venue for 2013. I know a brownstone waiting for a tournament party
Notre Dame either stays independent or goes to the Big 10
Any other move does not make much sense to me.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
ND goes to a conference "when me sh*t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert"
Rumors are flying right now. It would take the whole thing coming down and then the B1G looking at someone else as the 16th member before ND gives up its independence. Its their thing. If ND wasn’t independent then they wouldn’t be ND. Thats about all you can say about it. Though I would really like to meet a ND fan. I dont think I have met one face to face.
Heard an intersting rumor.....
Anyone else hear about Penn St. being a possible 15/16 member? Sounds crazy to me until I googled it.
Yes, that is why I mentioned them in my article
Penn State is one of the crazy rumors that won’t go away along with the rumor of Tech going to the B1G and Florida State and Virginia Tech going to the SEC. However, I have to say of all the crazy rumors the one about Penn State sounds by far the most plausible.
by Atlanta's original team on Sep 19, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
TCU definitely has a call in, while I think Texas Tech does not. Texas still has the “Tech Problem” in full effect, so they know that Tech needs to be guaranteed a spot when they choose to join a conference (and the ACC likely isn’t willing to make a move until Texas has made a commitment to the Pac 16).
TCU won the 2011 Rose Bowl
Auburn won all the Tostitos.
Who do you think got the better deal?
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