What happens if Miami gets the death penalty?
by orientalnc on Aug 18, 2011 7:18 AM EDT
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PrintIt's a long way to go before it gets to this point, but what happens if the NCAA metes out the ultimate penalty to Miami? Here are some of my thoughts. What are yours?
In 1987, SMU players and recruits were immediately released without loss of eligibility. I am assuming that would be the case here. SMU was able to retain five coaches and hold conditioning drills, but everything else stopped. If the DP happens, more than 100 players, some of whom are 5-star recruits will be swarming all over Florida and the Southeast looking for spots on a team. Who is likely to benefit most?
The ACC Coastal Division will have lost one of its most competitive members for at least a season, maybe longer. It will be years before the Canes can restock their program to its current level. Duke will have a sure victory for 5-6 years.
Teams on the Miami schedule will have to find another opponent for the years Miami cannot compete. That will be very difficult for ACC teams especially, since it may be necessary to find a BCS opponent in order to have the required number of wins for bowl eligibility. Given how schedules are drawn up years in advance, this will be a difficult process. Maybe this will be our first game against Ga State? It could be the ACC will designate a non-division game to count in the Division standings for each team. It gets complicated.
If the DP is for more than one year, might the ACC find a new team for the Coastal Division as a first step in expansion? A few names come to mind without any trouble: East Carolina, Appalachian State (they are considering a move up), UCF, UConn, Rutgers.
In the meantime, twelve players on this year's team are probably going to be held out of games until their eligibility can be determined. That's what happen at UNC and what the NCAA said we should have done with Bay Bay. I checked their roster and and the Canes will be decimated of serious talent on both sides of the ball. Duke may get their win this year.
While it's not likely to get the DP, the Miami basketball program could get a severe blow as well. Paying cash to recruits is serious. And, remember, Miami was on probation as a repeat offender while all this was happening. Could Miami abandon football altogether? I do not think it's out of the question.
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Um, no
The ACC would probably just schedule another ACC game in it’s place. Remember that nothing of this will likely come out for quite a while (next Spring to Summer range at the earliest). I mean, UNC and Auburn are still waiting for the results of their investigation (as is “THE” OSU). The ACC would not expand because there would not be a real need to do it. Also, expansion takes time and the death penalty would only apply for 1-2 years. Even SMU was held out only one year (the second was their call). So if we did get a team, that team would likely not start in the ACC until the penalty was over.
I think you're right...
…there wouldn’t be enough time to pull in a new conference member.
Tougher to decide what would happen to the ACCCG (would the NCAA let us have one with only 11 active teams?) and an open date for all the ACCC teams and two of the ACCA teams—how do you balance the schedule and determine a division champ—the ACCA could cry foul and say that GT and VPI have an unfair advantage with a bye for Miami, a weakened Carowhina, and well of course Dook.
Substitute another FBS opponent? Who would pick? Would we get stuck with georgie? A better alternative would probably be to scrap divisional records in determining the champ and go with overall ACC W-L.
As an aside, 9-3 starts looking better (losing to georgie, VPI, and either Clempsun or NCSU) with all the starters that will be riding the pine for the Candy Canes.
by jabbajacket on Aug 18, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Two factors to keep in mind
One is that, even though the story is apocryphal, the NCAA later regretted the death penalty, feeling like that is too harsh for any infraction.
The second factor is that SMU with or without an extra year as a corpse found that it could not compete at a Division I level for many years.
But my other point is if the inconceivable happens and Miami is indeed toast, the ACC should consider adding South Florida. They may end up with all of Miami’s players anyway and once Miami is rehabilitated the ACC would then only need to add one more team. I like Pittsburgh for that second team.
by Atlanta's original team on Aug 18, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
The death penalty is very harsh
however, I don’t see how Miami can remain competitive anyway if over ten players are deemed ineligible and they lose scholarships for several years. There were over 70 players that received improper benefits (both NCAA violations and moral violations) over ten years (I believe). If they lose seven scholarships per year over the next ten years to make up for that, I don’t see them being good for many years.
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