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ACC Realignment: Should Georgia Tech And Boston College Swap Divisions?

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Yesterday, Brian at BC Interruption posed an interesting question: Should the ACC realign itself and swap Georgia Tech with Boston College? After thinking about it, the answer should surely be a YES for Georgia Tech.

The divisions would be the following:

Atlantic: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Coastal: Boston College, Duke, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech\

From Brian:

At first glance, this seems to be a pretty even trade. Both programs have made two ACC Championship Game appearances. Georgia Tech is 32-16 in six seasons while BC is just two games back at 30-18. This would also decrease travel costs for Atlantic Division teams, with a division that now would only span from Maryland to the Florida panhandle instead of Chestnut Hill to Tallahassee as it does today.

Ok so it's an even trade but what does that do to our football schedule? Answer: It makes it more awesome. Clemson stays on our schedule as an intra-division game and Virginia Tech becomes the inter-division rival. This is awesome because they don't fall off the schedule, and maybe, just maybe, we can get Clemson and Virginia Tech to play at Bobby Dodd during different years unlike now. Second awesome point is that Florida State would be a permanent fixture on the schedule. And to that I say BRING IT. My biggest lament about conference expansion was dropping the Seminoles off the schedule. I'd love to see them back on it. Finally, a selfish awesome: Duke would fall off the schedule for a little while. While a win is appreciated, I am really really really really tired of playing them.

Brian also brings up an interesting point about the baseball schedule. Tech moving to the Atlantic would even out the conference and not allow for a random .500 Maryland team to make the tournament...oh and we'd have Florida State as a consistent fixture on the baseball schedule as well.

If I were John Swofford, or if John Swofford weren't a little girl, I would like into this idea and give a breath of fresh air to the Atlantic Coast Conference.

What do you think about this proposal? Who can make it happen?!

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It would be nice to have the game between Clemson & GT

be for some real marbles. But I don’t know if I totally agree with the proposition. While it decreases travel between the Atlantic members, it increases it for Miami. Though it would bring back the Miami & BC games, which need to be more common place than they are now. Also, it removes the current series between Clemson and BC. Also, the GT vs UNC game would be no more, which has been a good series so far since expansion. And I think that Brian is right about one thing, it would help fix up the baseball tilt that is currently going on, but I still am not all that enthralled by it.

The main reason that I oppose this though, is that it puts the 3 newest members in one side of the conference. While I consider our new brethren to be ACC members now, it would create a stigma that they are still Big East members playing in the ACC. So i understand when they split the divisions that VT & Miami got put on one side and BC on the other.

Now how would I propose fixing this issue you ask? Easy. Move the conference schedule to 9 games instead of the current 8. Now this is a risky move, because it makes it even harder to go undefeated, and removes an extra out of conference game. But that would be good for the fans, and for schools such as Duke, BC, and UNC who usually fill their OOC schedule with cupcakes and have a hard time selling tickets to terrible games. More conference games should equal better fan excitement, and more booster and tv money for the athletic departments and conference as whole. This would allow the teams to play the 5 in division + 1 other division rivalry + 3 other division games, which would alleviate those years of not seeing the other conference teams.

Sorry for the long post, though hopefully it sparks some debate. I want to post this at BCI, but you have to wait a day before posting their, meaning that topic might be over and done with before my voice is heard.

PS: (Now I’m hoping that the next blogs are about extra expansion, cause I want to see WVU and maybe ECU in the conference as well. THINK OF THE RIVALRIES AND DRUNKEN DEBAUCHERY THAT WOULD OCCUR)

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by AParker on May 13, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

BC-Clemson would be the cross-divisional rivalry with this swap, since Georgia Tech would be paired with Virginia Tech.

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by Brian Favat on May 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I approved your blog membership over at BCI now AParker, so comment away. Just don’t go trolling, k? K. ;)

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by Brian Favat on May 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will take this convo over to your site then

But any GT fans who have an opinion on this let me know!

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by AParker on May 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Miami travel

Couple of points on increasing Miami’s travel costs:

- Miami has to fly to every non-FSU conference road game anyway
- Miami and Boston are two main, East coast airport hubs so even though it’s a great distance between the two schools, Miami-Boston flight costs are probably cheaper than flying to, say, Raleigh and then bussing it to Blacksburg or one of the Tobacco Road schools
- Miami is a private school, where public schools like Florida State and N.C. State could probably use the decrease in travel costs more than the U

Finally, Miami is a program that is used to playing in the Northeast. That’s the main reason they joined the Big East was to get exposure in the Northeast part of the country to become more of a national college football brand. Don’t think they would be opposed to making the annual trip to Boston.

The nine-game conference sched would actually increase travel costs for everyone, and I’m not sure the so-called “elite” programs like Florida State would approve of an extra hurdle to get to the BCS at an at-large (though I believe that the BCS conferences will all move to a nine-game sched at some point in the near future).

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by Brian Favat on May 13, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect Miami to be in favor

Miami very, very strongly desired BC in the ACC because of its NE alumni base, and would likely be in favor of playing BC yearly.

by CSOM_97 on May 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, I didn't even think about the airport deal

Guess being a Clemson fan makes me forget about air travel. What the hell is an airport?

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by AParker on May 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Swofford not a little girl? That'll be the day.

I’m generally in favor of any realignment that makes FSU a permanent fixture on our schedule. I think it’s a crime that we no longer play each other every year.

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by MagnaCarterGT on May 13, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

What about dropping the permanent interdivisional rivalry and going to a 9 game schedule?

It’d allow teams from one conference to play members of the other 4 years out of 6. It’s currently at 2 years out of every 6. (If those numbers are incorrect, I counted wrong. Sue me. I wasn’t an engineering major.) That would mean there are more marquee matchups each season. That’s more games picked up by the networks each year and more money the conference is worth (well, once our weak ESPN contract is up in 12 years…).

I’d split the divisions North/South. Sorry, but forcing arguably the Conference’s best program to play the two schools furthest away from it each year is nonsense. Not even that, but Maryland is pretty damn close to both Virginia schools and both of the public North Carolina schools. Why do they not play every year in football? I don’t think the competitive balance would be thrown off too much if the South got both Duke and Wake Forest. And I know this whole hypothetical was brought about by BC wanting to play Miami every year, but being able to play them 4 times out of every 6 is better than the current 2 out of 6, so they should think of it as a compromise that betters the entire conference.

South: Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Now, that doesn’t even out the baseball divisions, but baseball isn’t a money sport. I’d like to see the big 6 baseball schools split up 3/3 but will the uneven divisions be that detrimental to any of the schools due to the additional 3 games they’ll face against a better school? I don’t see it as that big of an issue in regards to teams postseason aspirations. But since you guys are in the stronger division now, maybe you have more insight into this?

Does anybody else want divisions in basketball? A 10-6 ACC team was left out of the NCAAT in 2010. That should never happen, but it did, in large part due to unbalanced schedules. In the 2009-2010 season, FSU didn’t get Duke or UNC at home. Hurt attendance a little bit. I think every ACC team should get to host Duke/UNC at least once per year. Best way to do that is to split into 2 divisions with UNC in one and Duke in the other. To keep the ACC’s only 2 nationally relevant programs’ rivalry alive, have them as interdivisional rivals. (Yep, the interdivisional rivals that I say are unnecessary for football are actually good for basketball.) This would create a 17 game ACC schedule. Just bump it up to 18 and have the final game be a “floating” interdivisional game, where each season you play a different member of the opposite division twice. The ACC has been tossing around the idea of an 18 game schedule for several years now. Quit being b*****s and do it!

And my god, are any of you pissed off at how crappy the ACC deal with ESPN is looking? With the deals the Big XII got/will be getting and the deal the Pac 12 just landed. There are even a lot of articles talking about how the Big East may land a deal close to that of the ACC’s.

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by tricknole on May 14, 2011 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE

And don’t get me wrong, I appreciate all of the thoughtful comments, but no matter how you line up the divisions there is always going to be a trade off. Rivalries are lost or someone has to travel too far or one division gets out of balance. In my opinion the powers that be decreed that Miami and Florida State had to be in different divisions to create a possible championship match up. Once that is established it is almost impossible to line teams up in a way that doesn’t undo one problem by replacing it with a new problem.

Oh, hell, just for the fun of it here are my two divisions:

Coastal: Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami

Atlantic: Florida State, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

by Atlanta's original team on May 15, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

This is about what I was thinking

While I understand the desire to maintain rivalries, I’m not at all tied to them as strongly as some. If that were the case, then let’s just go Independent and schedule Clemson, ND, Bama, Auburn, UGA, Miami, FSU, VT, Miss St., UNC, and Penn St. That’s a good mix of existing and historic rivalries.

Would I like to play FSU every year? Sure, but I’m in no hurry to have FSU repeat that domination run they had up until recently over us. I actually enjoy the newer rivalries we’ve formed with VT and Miami. I’ve enjoyed the series with Miss St recently as well, but I have some ties to Miss St, so maybe I’m biased. I was really excited when we played ND back-to-back years and wish we still had them each year. I absolutely loved playing Auburn and I want that rivalry back in full swing as well.

And then there’s Swofford, who I have no faith in to actually do anything positive with this Conference. Oh, I’m sure he’s done some good, but I don’t like the guy and I don’t trust him.

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by Jesse28 on May 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We tried that once

It is very hard to be independent anymore. Teams in conferences get a ready made cash flow regardless of whether or not they have the occasional losing season.

by Atlanta's original team on May 23, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And playing for a conference championship sustains more interest through the course of the season whereas playing for a national championship usually is a lost cause by the fourth or fifth game of the season.

by Atlanta's original team on May 23, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

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