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Where do you rank Tech-UGA amongst Intrastate Football Rivalries?

I took the 50 States and ranked them based on their 50 biggest intrastate rivalries. I ranked the Auburn-Alabama rivalry as #1 followed by the FSU-Miami-UF rivalry due to the fact that outside of Southern Cal those five programs have pretty much dominated college football the last 20 years or so. They have earned a little respect. Now, where do the other 48 state's biggest Division I football rivalries line up?
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Think about intensity, national relevance, importance to conference prestige, or even importance in recent conference races. Is the Tech-Georgie rivalry overrated or underrated on my rankings?
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Tech and Georgia should be ranked...
...higher than 6th
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...lower than 6th
26 votes
...right at 6th.
58 votes

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  1. seems about right for Clean, Old Fashioned Hate. The next closest comparison is Clemson-South Carolina and I’d say we are definitely “bigger” based on the criteria you’ve laid out here.

However, I don’t agree with just taking the 50 states. I think you need to look at actual in-state rivals rather than just teams that share a state. Take California for instance, Cal-Stanford and UCLA-SoCal are rivals but I don’t think you can lump all four together as “rivals”.

Of course this makes the list more complicated and a lot harder to rank. I like the idea though. I wonder if GT-uga suffers because it has no bearing on either team’s conference standing? Was the rivalry stronger when GT was still an SEC member?

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by buzzmeetsbrutus on Nov 22, 2011 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

yeah

I don’t know how intense they are. On the other hand, I have never met anyone that hates another school more than the vitrol OK State fans have for Oklahoma. They are something like 10-90 against OU and only recently made the rivalry competitive.

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by BirdGT on Nov 22, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

And that's why

I’d downgrade that rivalry. It just doesn’t have the longstanding history of COFH. I also think that Michigan is even more preoccupied with tOSU than the gaggers are with UF, so that rivalry isn’t as big as ours. I’ll give you Texas-aTm, the Florida triangle, and the Iron Bowl as higher priorities than COFH.

Nice job on the FCS ones, by the way. Cat-Griz is probably one of the most consequential FCS rivalries (intra-state or otherwise) of the last 25 years. An upset on Saturday in that game gave a shake-up to the seeding of the FCS playoff bracket. As an alum (BS, GT for PhD) of ND State, I’d like to move NDSU-UND ahead of SDSU-USD, but I can’t do it for a couple of reasons. First, we haven’t played them since we moved to Division I ahead of them. (Last game was 2003.) There are no signs we’re going to start playing them any time soon, either. Might wind up like Delaware-Delaware State, where the first time we meet in eons is in the playoffs. (The Fighting SiouxNonicknames have a way to go before they have to worry about the playoffs, however.) Second, I don’t think NDSU or UND fans ever left dead critters in the lockerroom showers of their rivals. However, either Coyote fans or Jackrabbit fans did it at least once. NDSU fans just made T-shirts saying “Sioux Suck” (it’s our THWG, in that it was chanted regardless of opponent), with a Sioux head, uh, giving oral pleasure to a Bison.

by NoDak_jacket on Nov 22, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you have to re-sort this every year based on national relevance at the point the game is played.

And some matchups, like Sparty/Wolverines, are played relatively early in the year. I’d argue that’s nationally irrelevant due to happening so early.

by softbatch on Nov 22, 2011 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

yeah

that happens to Colorado State and Colorado…a game that has less and less importance every season…

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by BirdGT on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivalries are hard to compare (duh)

Alabama – Auburn is easy. No other state gets divided quite like Alabama nor to the poisonous degree.

I always thought USC vs. UCLA was a big deal. But there was a time when USC vs. Notre Dame was bigger.

Florida State vs. Miami is huge. Florida has chickened out of the state rivalry for the most part.

The problem with some of those other state rivalries is that I cannot tell if they are any bigger than certain cross state rivalries. Is Oklahoma / Oklahoma State bigger than Oklahoma vs. Nebraska? I don’t know. Likewise, is Michigan / Michigan State bigger than Michigan vs. Ohio State?

It was not that many years ago I used to hear Georgia fans say that Tech was not as big a rival as Auburn, Florida or even Clemson. Yeah, they used to say that. Seems like a distant memory now.

by Atlanta's original team on Nov 22, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

FSU/UF is bigger than FSU/Miami. OU/Texas is bigger than any other OU rivalry (or Texas rivalry for that matter). I definitely agree that some teams have bigger cross-state rivalries than in-state simply because the in-state rivals typically aren’t that good.

Also, there’s a temporal aspect to it. If one team is beating up on another all the time, the rivalry loses meaning. If they’re close all the time, then that’s another story.

by acedarney on Nov 22, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Other rivals
It was not that many years ago I used to hear Georgia fans say that Tech was not as big a rival as Auburn, Florida or even Clemson. Yeah, they used to say that. Seems like a distant memory now.

Plenty of Georgia fans still say that (though not many say it about Clemson these days). Even the South Carolina game, as it has gotten more competitive in the past decade or so, is climbing up there and seems to have a lot more bearing on the success of our season. Usually the success of our season is already decided by the time we play Tech (e.g. the 2008 season was already in the crapper and wouldn’t have been significantly better with a win over GT).

Personally, I think the Florida and Auburn games are more important than the Tech game, and they’re a lot more fun to win. Truth be told, any SEC game is more important than the Tech game because it affects our conference standing. The Tech game is by far the worst game to lose, though. As far as biggest rivals go, I’d rank it:

1. Florida
2. Tech
3. Auburn
4. Tennessee, South Carolina
6. Clemson

by FisheriesDawg on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we're talking Interstate rivalries...

A few that I’ve seen in my travels that generally don’t get enough attention…

Oregon-Oregon St.
Ole Miss-MSU
Indiana-Purdue (more bball I admit, but they hate each other)

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by TBuzz on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Clean Old Fashioned Hate

probably fits at number six, but I think one could make a case that we could be placed higher. Michigan, Texas and Oklahoma all have bigger rivalries outside of the state, so it’s probably not as big a deal for the teams involved. Perhaps for the “lesser” opponent, it’s huge, but for the big players there, it’s not the biggest opponent on their schedule. Also, FSU/Florida has lost some of its importance recently due to FSU’s decline. This is unfortunate because I grew up as an FSU fan and I still hear crap about it when I go home (also the reason I can’t stand Tim Tebow). Finally, I think Clemson/South Carolina should be higher. That’s a pretty big deal for those involved.

I think it’s difficult to rank all of these objectively, and you’ve done well. These types of things can be argued forever, so it’s a good way to get people discussing.

by acedarney on Nov 22, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Dawg fan here

I come in peace. I agree with much of what has been said about these rankings, but wanted to chime in that some rivalries like FSU/Miami get an inflated ranking due to the teams being so good. (Not now obviously, but for many recent years)

In reality, those games are largely “johnny come lately” matchups that didn’t have half of the hate of our “Clean Old Fashioned” variety, until the teams started playing with so much at stake.

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by Dawg in Beaumont on Nov 22, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

I agree...

You would think a 9-2 UGA against an 8-3 Tech team would garner a lot more attention than the 12 PM ABC game?

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by TBuzz on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Florda in state rivalries

garner absolutely no interest from me whatsoever

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by Winfield Featherston on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Having grown up in south FL...

The Miami-FSU rivalry was huge. For a good 25 year period, it garnered national attention and pretty much a showcase for NFL talent. I would argue that putting these 2 teams in the same conference has really hurt the rivalry.

It might not have garnered attention from you, but the game pretty much decided the National title hope for both schools…who won 8 in that 25 year period.

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by TBuzz on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm still not sure...

…how to “garner.” But college football teams seem to do a lot of it lately.

#depressing

by GT_Jason on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Jesse28 on Nov 23, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I'd bump the Civil War up a couple spots

From what I understand, Oregon-Oregon State is a pretty nasty one. Not so relevant this year (Oregon State is 3-8) but in the past couple years both teams have been awful impressive.

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by LilBroey700 on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I think history is a big part of rivalries

and the Florida schools don’t have history. FSU was a girls school until the ’40s; Miami started playing football in the ’20s.

I haven’t checked to see how often Florida has played Miami, but it can’t be that many times, relatively speaking.

by CraigT on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

The you also have to take out

Texas Tech’s part of the Lonestar battles…they didn’t exist until the ’20’s either. That favors COFH, too.

by GT_Jason on Nov 22, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Miami-FSU and UF-FSU drive that rivalry. The majority of the bad blood between UM-UF happened in the Spurrier years and the early 70’s (before UM went on the downward spiral prior to Schnellenberger taking over).

When all three were consistent Top 10 teams in the 80’s and 90’s it was pretty damn significant. Of course, you have to add in the High School recruiting factor since out-recruiting the other 2 schools in the state of Florida was always the main goal.

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by TBuzz on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not many.

I’ll check later but I do know that when Miami won their first NC in that epic 31-30 Orange Bowl win over Nebraska, they got soundly thrashed by Florida in their first game. The Florida fans were like, “National Champs? They’re not even State Champs!”

by The Bamboo Shaft on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

My $0.02

Definitely split up the multiple intrastate rivals—FSU-Miami is bigger than either with UF. Cal-Stanford and Southern Cal-UCLA are big and the SoCal schools don’t care as much about the Bay schools, and vice-versa. The only exception would be the NC roundrobin.

Move up Clemson-SC, probably right after COFH. Some would call that rivalry uglier than COFH.

Egg Bowl needs to be higher. Nobody cares outside of Mississippi most of the time, but it is a passionate rivalry and has the potential to have SEC implications. “GO TO HELL, OLE MISS, GO TO HELL!”

Move Michigan-MSU down. Not as big as Michigan-OSU.

The only Texas rivalry that matters is TAMU-t.u.

Move the Civil War up.

Pitt-Penn State is a rivalry?

by jabbajacket on Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

My experience with in-state rivalries

I’ve lived and worked in Atlanta, Huntsville (AL), and Jacksonville (FL), each for at least a five year span. I would say that in looking back at all those years, the COFH between GT and uga is really damn close to Auburn-Bama at the local state level. The thing that tops their rivalry off is the simple fact that they have some derp-insane psycho’s for fans that do some of the most dumbest things for the love of their team. I mean seriously, poisoning trees for jebus’ sake. That and the fact that the Iron Bowl is much more welcomed nationally because of it’s consistent competitiveness. It’s hard to make a case for COFH nationally when it’s been so one-sided for the past decade.

Having said that, the in-state rivalries between UF, free shoes, and thugU doesn’t even come close, locally or nationally. While in the A or Huntsville, the game is all people talk about. Every conversation gravitates toward the game. People dress up in the school colors, dress their kids in the school colors, dress their cars in the school colors, some people take a week off from work to prepare for the weekend, people spends hundreds on food and drink for massive parties, and this all happens on a very large scale. I really don’t see that here in Jacksonville. Not one single conversation has mentioned the UF-FSU game this weekend and I have yet to see any propaganda being flown on the highways. In fact, there are more people talking about COFH than anything Florida relatesd and it’s like that every year. Sure, there is obviously some history between the three teams as mentioned above, but this rivalry feel irelevant and obscured from both the local and antional eye.

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by Jesse28 on Nov 23, 2011 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

I would argue that for a 20-year period (1985-2005) the Miami-FSU game mattered nationally, and probably was the game of the year (on relevance and competitiveness) for several . In fact, they tried all kinds of things to get it a national audience (Monday night, first game of the season, etc.).

Having lived outside of Georgia, COFH is purely a state of Georgia thing.

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by TBuzz on Nov 23, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I can guarantee...

…that in the cities of Houston, Dallas, and Austin, TX, people are aware of Georgia Tech and the fire we have against Georgie. My theory is that there are lots of Tech grads there and they all feel some kind of brotherhood with Texas A&M fans and their hate for the ‘Horns. I’m not saying people follow COFH, but they know about it like they know about the Iron Bowl and OKSU-OU, etc.

by GT_Jason on Nov 23, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

While A&M fans may share the little brother thing with Tech fans,

that’s pretty much where the similarity ends. Texas A&M is a large land grant school with a bunch of students, a wide array of majors, and a large alumni base. They also have a large number or ((shudder)) sidewalk fans. They at least have better insults towards Texas than calling them rednecks or pizza delivery men ad nauseum.

Truth be told, A&M as an institution is far more similar to UGA than it is to Georgia Tech.

by FisheriesDawg on Nov 23, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Being a Texan you don’t have to educate me on A&M. Plenty Aggies in the family. Even still I’m well aware of Georgie’s transition from Antebellum “seminary of the classics” into an Agg and Mech structure and then on to the present all-everything flagship state university. But, to the TAMU fans, they won’t see it quite that way due to football…they might have a bunch of majors in common with Georgie, but it’s definitely the under[jacket] status and the plethora of esoteric traditions that seems to link them with Tech fans. Also, the grads of GT and A&M tend to meet one another in the Southwest’s chemical industry, which is the perspective my family in Houston comes from. But even in Dallas the A&M fans are generally warmer to GT fans, and I definitely think that’s because of where they stand with Texas.

I’d never insinuate the schools or fanbases of GT and TAMU are similar in size, scope or much else other than maybe that hatred for a seemingly ubiquitous, over-rich, over-powerful rival. But all the TAMU fans I knew in Texas liked GT in November (I’m curious if that’ll change now that they’re in the SEC.)

by GT_Jason on Nov 23, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The major difference, though...

is that A&M alumni seem to have actually enjoyed their time in school. I can’t say that about most GT alumni I know.

Besides, they were probably just being polite to you because they didn’t have a dog in the fight. I bet if they were talking to a Georgia grad they’d say the exact same things about the Dawgs.

by FisheriesDawg on Nov 23, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What? Ok I don't think this is getting across (not that it was important anyway)

I guess I wasn’t being clear. I think I said this already but here’s my experience: In November (the time when the in-state rivals all play each other) all the TAMU fans I know will pull for Tech. If you’re just saying I’m having smoke blown up my hindparts forget it…these people are family and friends. I don’t know about you, but my family and friends don’t tend to pull punches or sugarcoat. By the way it’s not just GT they’re pulling for. They usually want OKSU to win in Bedlam, Clemson to beat SC, FSU to beat UF, and likewise all over the country. That’s pretty common among fans of teams who feel second-class in their own state. I’m not saying they all hate UGA and UF or something, but I’m just saying they like the pot stirred by upsets and the evening of odds, turning of tables, etc….just like Tech fans do.

Ok that’s the last time I try to explain this. I’m not particularly fond of perpetuating conversations with someone who just tried to insinuate it’s not even fun to go to Tech. Sure it’s hard, and people are tougher for getting through it. BUT, if they didn’t have any fun such that they ENJOYED their undergrad years they missed a huge part of their education. I know I’m not the norm since I was Greek, but GT was a heckuva lot of fun every single weekend!

by GT_Jason on Nov 23, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Never underestimate fans rooting against Big State U.

There are a lot of people who will, by default, pull for the a&m/land grant/technical college vs Big State “flagship” U. Auburn over Bama, Missy State over Ole Miss, NCSU over Carowhina, Clemson over USC, FSU over Florida, VPI over uva, and TAMU over t.u, Tech over georgie, and so on.

That’s my personal default, and I will generally pull for the ACC over an OOC team.

by jabbajacket on Nov 23, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I wasn’t being clear. I think I said this already but here’s my experience: In November (the time when the in-state rivals all play each other) all the TAMU fans I know will pull for Tech. If you’re just saying I’m having smoke blown up my hindparts forget it…these people are family and friends. I don’t know about you, but my family and friends don’t tend to pull punches or sugarcoat. By the way it’s not just GT they’re pulling for. They usually want OKSU to win in Bedlam, Clemson to beat SC, FSU to beat UF, and likewise all over the country. That’s pretty common among fans of teams who feel second-class in their own state. I’m not saying they all hate UGA and UF or something, but I’m just saying they like the pot stirred by upsets and the evening of odds, turning of tables, etc….just like Tech fans do.

OK. I guess growing up a Georgia fan I just don’t understand the whole “root for the underdog” thing. Instead, you should want your team to work to the point that they’re the favorite. Otherwise you’re just rooting for a team because they aren’t successful (relatively speaking).

Ok that’s the last time I try to explain this. I’m not particularly fond of perpetuating conversations with someone who just tried to insinuate it’s not even fun to go to Tech. Sure it’s hard, and people are tougher for getting through it. BUT, if they didn’t have any fun such that they ENJOYED their undergrad years they missed a huge part of their education. I know I’m not the norm since I was Greek, but GT was a heckuva lot of fun every single weekend!

I know plenty of Tech grads who speak about their time in school with utter disdain. They’re very proud of their degree (as they should be), but they wouldn’t go back and do it all over again if given the opportunity. I guess it is sort of like going through boot camp.

by FisheriesDawg on Nov 24, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree...and they have that annoying "WOOP!" thing.

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by TBuzz on Nov 23, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

wtf is that about? It’s just f’n weird. Someone talked about how they wish the UGA mascot could live for more than one calendar year…def lol’d over that one.

All of the UGA fans I know are really out there and pretty delusional. Yes the SEC has won X championships in a row. No one cares. UGA certainly didn’t win any in that time period but they’re the 1st ones to throw it in your face…meanwhile they played one average team from the west this year somehow escaping a thrashing from Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas.

by 071u on Nov 23, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Tech had a ton of sidewalk fans

when they won regularly. That fan base started to erode after Dodd left, and Herschel killed it.

by CraigT on Nov 24, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If you had lived in Jax

in the 90s and early 2000s, you’d have a different opinion. Urban Meyer really had his way with FSU during his tenure and there was no competition for several years. When both teams had national title aspirations, that game was just as big as COFH.

by acedarney on Nov 27, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don't think I would.

That comment and others like it are exactly my point. If it’s a big deal some of the time but not others, then it’s not even close to COFH or the Iron Bowl. Those are every year, regardless of recent success or failure of the teams involved. COFH is a week long affair every year, even though uga has won 9 of the last 10, and that is unlikely to change. Same with Bama-Auburn when Auburn won 5-6 in a row recently. I was in Huntsville then and it was a huge deal the entire week of the game for fans on both sides.

Sorry, but that isn’t the case with the Florida teams and hasn’t been for the last four years.

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by Jesse28 on Nov 29, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps you're right

I haven’t lived in Florida for almost 10 years now, but I was there when I was a kid through high school, and every year, that game was a big deal. I didn’t see anything different after I moved to Atlanta with Georgia-Georgia Tech. I don’t know too many FSU fans anymore (of all us kids, none of us actually went to FSU…guess we were too smart), and I still find UF fans (or should I say, Broncos fans) obnoxious.

Perhaps you’re right. Years of beating FSU by double digit margins leave UF fans looking elsewhere for a challenge, but sometimes I see the same thing from UGA fans.

by acedarney on Nov 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I am actually advocating ending the annual game between the schools...

I am a UGA grad and now that the conference is expanding we are severely limited by being locked into the Tech game every year. Win or lose this year I think it would be much better to play them every 10 years or so like we do Georgia Southern.

by ugacdawg on Nov 25, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

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