Quick Thoughts on Loss
by BirdGT on Nov 11, 2011 8:09 AM EST
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PrintWe had no answer for Logan Thomas. It took 3-4 defenders to tackle him on every play. It didn't seem like the Hokies really planned for Thomas to run like he did, they just kinda realized early in the game that he could truck all of our defenders one on one.
The secondary had a rough night. We gave up some uncharacteristically big plays but that's probably a mixture of poor play up front as well as poor positioning in the secondary. The front 7 got almost no pressure all night on Logan Thomas. It seemed like our only blitzes that landed home were the run blitzes.
Offense
On the other hand, I don't think our offense played that bad until about 9 minutes left. The Hokies never really had an answer for the running game and I was sad to see our aversion for the toss sweep as the game progressed. I felt like Roddy and Embry could've probably had more carries seeing as the Hokies really keyed on Orwin Smith on the edge.
Tevin had an okay night. It really just kinda broke apart when we expected our B-back and OL to form a pocket. We have no pass protection on obvious passing downs so any drop backs over 3 steps resulted in a sack. If not for any other reason than the 2 minute drill, we probably need to add some shotgun just to give our QB time on obvious passing downs. I don't think we should scrap our OL style or rushing attack just to add some super complex passing game but the QB needs more time.
Special Teams
Justin Moore was solid. Punting was rough but it's been rough since Durant Brooks left town. Coverage was actually pretty good considering kick coverage cost us the game last year. We really bottled up David Wilson all game (despite his yardage accumulation) until the fourth quarter. Attaouchu's penalty seemed to really take the fire out of the defense.
What do you all think?
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A couple of things....
Probably should not have gone for the 4 and 1 that left them with the ball on our 36, but I like the aggressive play. TW should have stretched that thing out.
That personal foul penalty – completely unnecessary. Probably gave them 7 and cost us 7, so 14 point swing. The game.
I literally lost sleep over it. Even Hoo fans are sorry.
by JacketInHooville on Nov 11, 2011 8:52 AM EST reply actions
Agree with the personal foul
That ultimately gave them 7 (as noted below) AND cost us 7 b/c they couldn’t stop the option. Turkey Neck didn’t beat us, we did.
yep
Better to have died a small boy than to drop this football - John Heisman FromTheRumbleSeat
by Winfield Featherston on Nov 11, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
One play cost us the game, no question about it . . .
Tech had stormed back to take the lead. The turkey offense was absolutely stuffed and would have been facing 4th down deep in their territory with a punter who is famous for shanking the ball in clutch situations. Tech would have gotten the ball back in good territory and easily scored given how they were moving the ball at will. If the turkeys scored again, Tech is still up by a comfortable margin, plus their next drive would have been one of those patented CPJ calls that eats up the last quarter of the game. Game, set, match.
This is not to dump on one player. Like the rest of the team there is a lot of youth that will learn from this and get better. I am still proud of what the team has accomplished this year.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
3 Things That Killed The Game (and a few other minor things)
1) The quick touchdown to end the 1st half. What the holy @#^$(@#^$(%^$( are we doing play a CRAPPY cover 2 zone. There’s no reason to not have 3 safeties in the middle of the field. I’ve seen us time and time again give up the big play just before half time. If we’re playing some variation of cover 3, there’s no way he’s able to make that throw, or even if he does get it to a receiver, there’s help to bring the guy down at midfield. Cost: 7 points
2) The Punch. What was Attouchou doing? Completely uncharacteristic of what I’ve seen from this kid. We have them stuffed. We’re up by 5, and they’re about to punt to us, giving us great field position. At that point in the game, they were having a hard time stopping us. We more than likely go up by 12 with a good drive. Instead? They get the free 15 yards and a 1st down & end up going on to score later in the drive. Cost: 7 points
3) The 4th & 1. I don’t mind the play call to go for it on 4th &1. We’ve proven time and time again 3 feet is very easy to get with this offense. I even don’t mind it so much we’re going for it on our own 30 yard line…kind of ballsy. What I do mind is the play actually called. Washington is NOT Josh Nesbitt. He is not a power runner, he’s more of a finesse guy. That mid-line isn’t working as well as it was with Nesbitt b/c it seems like Washington waits to long to make his move. I’ll never understand why we don’t run a pitch to the outside to one of our quick A-backs. Turnover on downs. They have a VERY short field to work with resulting in a fairly quick TD. Cost: 7 points
And there you have it. You can’t spot Turkey Neck 21 points and expect to walk away with a ‘W’. It just won’t happen. I don’t think our defense played all that bad. We were in the backfield frequently with quite a few tackles for a loss. I do agree we gave him too much time to sit back and throw. Not sure why we didn’t bring a little more pressure on obvious passing downs…Duke did it and it forced them into turnovers.
and.
Dropped passes. Again. Killed at least 1 maybe 2 drives because we can’t hang on to the football. TW is putting them where they need to be, but the receivers need to catch the %$#^$#^@$ ball. Why is it so hard? I’ve worn the same gloves they use and the ball practically sticks to your hand when you try to catch it.
catchable pass
I know it’s a catch phrase but when someone throws you a duck with velocity on it, it’s really hard to catch. When it hits your hands, it could strike four or five points as opposed to two in one rotation of the ball. Tevin needs to work on getting a tighter spiral in the offseason especially on those short pass plays.
I write stuff From the Rumble Seat.
You're right, but
for #1. The quick TD allowed enough time for GT to get a FG. So, it’s really a 4 pt cost.
#2. The penalty put VT on the 30 yd line. The GT defense had 70 yds to prevent a TD. I do agree though, that play was the most critical play of the game.
#3. Just an over confident CPJ. I really do not understand GT’s infatuation with him. I think GT could get a much better coach and become a much better team. Case in point, the hiring of Al Groh was just terrible. Tell me when did he ever have a good defensive team without Bill Parcells. Look it up. NEVER.
VT could say similar things as well, such as the offside penalty on 4th & 5. The David Wilson fumble. etc.
Overall, it was a really good game, like the GT/VT match-ups always are. VT came out on top because they got the right breaks at the right time AND they made GT pay for their mistakes.
by Chazz Micheal Michealzz on Nov 11, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Pay for their mistakes
you couldn’t have said it any better. When you let the other team score due to mistakes, you have to give it up for the other team for converting on opportunity. Please beat Dabo and win the BCS bowl game.
from a clemson fan
i must say that i despise paul johnson and GT in general and i’m sincerely glad that GT lost to VT last night. mostly i’m glad that we dont have to face GT in the ACC champ game. just thought i’d throw that out there and also wonder why GT always plays their best game against us…
by sendthemtotheGRAVE on Nov 11, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions
With a stupid post like that...
I’m glad we ruined your national title hopes :D
by 071u on Nov 11, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clemson was never goin to the NC anyway
Too many teams had to lose and they werent gonna beat VT twice in a season anyway, Clemson should take a hard look at the game last night, because thats what we are gonna do to them in Charlotte, Clemsons D is much worse than GT’s
You only managed to score 3 points against Clemson's (not so good) D before.
Not sure why Turkey Neck only takes his 4 leaf clover enema before he plays us. Maybe should try that as part of his pregame for the ACCCG. You CAN"T lose to a guy named “Dabo” twice in a season….
Clemsons D had nothing to do with it
The offense didnt get any rythem till the Miami game, the offense didnt show up and they limped through the first 5 games, this is a totally different VT team than the one that played earlier, Clemsons D had nothing to do with that loss
Seems like Clemson's D had something to do with it....
because on the final score there’s a “3” next to your name.
by 071u on Nov 11, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Irony here...
The majority of posts here are saying how VT (or VPISU if you prefer, not sure why people are so crazy about that…) didn’t win the game but that GT lost it. A lot of VT fans thought the exact same about the Clemson game. When your team loses it’s because you didn’t play well, no one’s team ever gets beat by someone else…
I'll agree to a certain extent...
Your QB reminds me of Cam Newton the way he drags defenders across the line of scrimmage, and he made some sweeta$$ throws (paired with you WR’s sweeta$$ catches). Can we trade your wide receivers coach for ours? He’s taught them how to catch the ball :)
Tech did a lot to beat themselves like I said.
I agree
Thanks for the compliments, I think he has a lot of work to do, but the second half of the year has shown some real improvement and I’m excited about his potential. This game scares me every year (mainly because our D has not figured the option out, regardless of prep time) you guys can be nasty good when you start rolling.
Unless you are a NC caliber team, I think you can expect a team to miss some plays. GT and VT both had spurts where they looked real good and spurts where they didn’t. However, GT beat themselves with that stupid “punch” without that, I think GT wins.
Regarding the trade, maybe but only if we can get some of PJ’s aggressiveness. I was somewhat shocked that VT went for it on 4th down (where is that aggressiveness when we are playing Duke?).
I agree
both teams made some boneheaded plays at times (both teams had stupid personal fouls due to a mental lapse). Much like Clemson, I hate that your QB is so young and we have to face him 2 more years.
A lot of people have talked about his arm strength, and he definitely got to show it off last night. There was one deep play where it was on a rope…he drilled his receiver. The analyst said not many players in the nfl even make that throw and they’re correct.
Looking forward to what’s in store for the young teams of GT, Clemson, V Tech over the next few years.
Play like we did in the Clemson game, on both sides of the ball
And we win by 2 TD’s.
Play nothing like that on EITHER side of the ball, you guys win by close to 2 TD’s. We killed ourselves with poor execution on offense and with not tackling on defense.
The Church of Paul Johnson - There's not much to it outside of whooping ass and giving haters the finger. To HELL With georgie!
by LilBroey700 on Nov 11, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Play like that consistently and you might win a NC
…inconsistency from game to game has hurt both our teams shots at bigger things.
Inconsistency is the demise of the ACC as a whole
I think we can agree on that.
The Church of Paul Johnson - There's not much to it outside of whooping ass and giving haters the finger. To HELL With georgie!
Probably because Clemson is our new Auburn: A real rivalry.
For Clemson we actually played what should be our normal game – the option clicked and the defense actually defended. When things clicked (audibly) last night, VPI could not stop us. We did.
For some reason, some defenses are getting into TW’s head and he gets very predictable. Not sure of the stats from last night, but it seemed like we were always 3rd and 6 or more, if not 4th and something. There has to be production on the first two downs.
The drill he ran in the final seconds of the 2nd quarter was awesome. Took the Hokie completely by surprise. I expected a couple more passes early in the 3rd just to keep them off balance.
But for Clemson – you can thank us, not VPI. Y’all always keep coming up with exceptional guys (Spiller, Boyd, etc), but what concerns me for you is what happens in a year when there is no hero? Same for VPI – no Thomas and Wilson, no season. We keep managing to somehow put together a team that works. It still has exceptional players, but it has functioned well without them.
by JacketInHooville on Nov 11, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Huh?
No Thomas… No Wilson.. No season? Can’t you throw that statement for pretty much any team?
No Kellen Moore – no Boise State. No Cam Newton – no Auburn last year. No Richardson – no ’bama. No Andrew Luck – no Stanford
What happened last year after Nesbitt went down? Loss to Miami.. Loss to Georgia.. Loss to Air Force.
Hmm...
Seems like we had several tackles for loss on their best player and a few sacks as well. I’m not gonna knock the front 7. I don’t like that we only sent 3 on a 3rd down play that eventually allowed VT to score its first touchdown. Logan Thomas is a slow decision maker. If we had sent just one more, he gets sacked on that play.
On the second-half go-ahead touchdown drive, Tevin ran the option beautifully. It makes me optimistic for future games if he can always play like that.
The punch was stupid. I saw it happen before they threw the flags and knew we were burned. It killed all the momentum GT had at the time.
Going for it on 4th down was the right call. I’d rather gamble to win and lose the bet than folding and ensuring a loss.
Yep.
If we punt the ball on 4th and 1, and it only goes for 20 yards….then V Tech takes it right back down and scores with just a 20 yard longer field. Then we’d be asking why didn’t PJ go for it on 4th & 1. I think the result would have been the same had we punted, just killed more clock. Still not sure why we didn’t do a pitch in that situation…was coach worreid about the speed of their backers? They were flying around, but when teams are quick and aggressive like that, not sure why we never tried a fake pitch for a big pass…we’ve only run that play one time this year. Then again, I’m not the 2 mil / year coach.
Absolutely. I was vainly hoping the referees did not see it but I knew better
That was the same time I felt a knot in my stomach and instantly went from feeling like we had a sure win to feeling like we had lost the game.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Another Defense observation
Did anyone else notice that our LBs and DBs spent a lot of time trying to strip out the ball instead of tackling? Easily 50 yards of their total offense can be attributed to that behavior
Good Game GT
It was a hard fought game on both side, and as a Hokie, this game always gives me stomach ulcers because of that offense. I still have to say though that i still think PJ is a little classless as a coach, What Attouchou did was inexcusable and any coach with class would have beched him immediatley, i’m still wondering why the refs didnt eject him from the game for that and I hope when the ACC reviews it he will be suspended. His reasoning “trying to hack the ball” was total BS anyone could see that was a right hook meant to be a punch, but your guys played a great game otherwise this has become a great rivalry.
P.S. is it just me or have the nerds who sit in the front row and paint themselves like Bees every year gained a little weight over the years?, I swear saw some man boobs last night lol
Is it just me...
or does the waddle under Beamer’s neck grow a little every year? You guys are ALMOST as bad at UGA when it comes to pounding your chest over winning 10 games every year…now if they just gave away championships for 10 win seasons, UGA & V Tech would be world beaters ;)
Just do the ACC a favor...
If you manage to beat Dabo, PLEASE don’t lose to someone like Syracuse from the Big East.
Careful
’Cuse will soon be your ACC brethren.
Relax, neither VT or GT has done well on the big stage. But, LT3 will change all that.
by Chazz Micheal Michealzz on Nov 11, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we havent won 10 games yet
and i wanst punding my chest, i didnt do any bragging about the win, the comment about Beamer is a little tasteless, he cant help that, thats a skin graft from a severe burn
If you're going to come a football blog and talk about manboobs
the options are limitless what gets discussed ;)
You’re the one who brought it up…just sayin
not appropriate
I am sure you are aware, as everyone else is, that what you call a “waddle” is a direct result of burns Coach suffered from a fire when he was a child. Your true colors are showing . . just like they did when Attouchou threw a punch and did not get ejected for it. Take shots at our fans (even though we are complimented nationwide for being a respectful bunch) all you want, but some things just should not be joked about, Coach’s scar and the massacre among them.
CTOB
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
the play was lightning quick
CPJ didn’t know what happened most likely. He HATES penalties. If he knew exactly what happened, he would’ve pulled Attaochu.
I write stuff From the Rumble Seat.
I am sure within 5 minutes of the penalty
someone in booth had the opportunity to review it.
CTOB
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
See: The Postgame Conference
Reporter: “Have you talked to Attaochu yet?”
Johnson: “No, why? About the personal foul?”
Reporter: “Yes.”
Johnson: “No, I couldn’t see it. Did you all see it?”
Reporter: “Yeah, he punched their guy in the head.”
Johnson: “Oh. [blood pressure visibly rises] Well we’ll have to take a look at the tape.”
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by LilBroey700 on Nov 11, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Those who know Attouchou know that this is not his M.O.
I do not believe he was deliberately trying to throw a punch. He is not a dirty player. More I could say but if anyone wants to believe he was intentionally trying to get the team penalized and lose the game then there is no hope for you.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes in the heat of battle you just “snap”, hard to say it any more succinctly than that. He comes off as extremely humble and amicable in his interviews. He has an incredible motor, and I’m sure the swing he took is something that he has to live with as long as he plays…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I saw a call either way....
I mean, if you root for GT (like me) then you probably thought it was a slip of the hand as he was trying to pull down their Goliath of a QB. If you are a VPI fan then you saw a deliberate hit. Granted I only saw the TV replays and was kind of in a WTH just happened. Its games like these that I try to remember where we were predicted to finish this year. Still ahead of the bell curve.
As opposed to the nerds who put on maroon body paint and orange football pads?
I swear, that old axiom is so true. If you want people to hate your team with a passion…put orange in you uniform.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha
I can’t say I’ve ever heard that old axiom but it made me laugh (especially since Miami and UVA have orange). No wonder I can looks of hate wearing VT gear.
Haha, it’s my old axiom (hate Tennessee and UF)
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by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And you think....
Varsity Sucks would have better things to do this morning as a UGA fan than to be coming on a rivals fanblog just to hate on the team. Joined this morning just to do that lol. A buddy of mine will be ending the career of a UGA grad later today / early next week though. Has something to do with the firepj site that was created. Come to find out one of the guys who ran or contributed to the site is a lawyer who graduated from UGA. His personal blog was found out, and it’s not pretty to say the least…at least not the kind of stuff you would expect a lawyer to post on a public blog.
We've already improved over last year
And have a chance for a 10 win season. How many years did Chan win more than 7 games?
This is a disappointing loss.
It frustrates me when we lose to a less talented team in Virginia Tech. If we play well and coach well, then we win the game.
The personal foul might have brought VT back into the game, but our playcalling on offense and defense suffered at the end. Paul Johnson became very conservative on offense, and Al Groh reverted back to his old ways of coaching the defense. Most of our passing yards came at the end of the first half on one drive, but for some reason, Paul didn’t want to throw the ball last night. We threw only a couple of short passes, but they were mostly long developing screen plays. We became predictable on offense.
I don’t think Groh knew what the word blitz meant last night. We got almost 0 pressure on the quarterback in the 2nd half, especially after the personal foul. It seemed as though we hardly blitzed, and when we did, they weren’t designed very well. And I don’t know why our defense keeps giving up the long crossing route over the middle. It’s like Al Groh leaves the middle of the field open with some of his play calls.
At least our guys fought hard last night. Keep it up and lets finish out the season undefeated!
Disappointing, yes, but not the end of the world
Tech is not good enough to beat good teams unless they play flawlessly and refuse to give the other team second chances. The fact that they did not play flawlessly has to do with youthfulness. They will grow up and be really good.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
less talented team?
The entire reason you run a flexbone / triple option offense in modern college football is because you have a less talented team (see Army / Navy). It gives you a chance. CPJ bringing it to GT was interesting because of the talent GT already had. The problem is the talent level drops each year you recruit for that offense.
The triple option will bring GT 7-10 wins a year simply because it is difficult for teams to prepare for, and other teams don’t run it. But this offense will break your hearts especially after bye weeks and during bowl games because the other teams have more time to prepare.
In pure talent, GT matched up with VT better before CPJ. The team with superior talent and athletes last night was wearing maroon, the team that had every chance to win the ballgame was wearing white and gold.
by HOKIESTONES on Nov 11, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC, VT ran several spread option plays...
And the predominant offense in high schools today is the spread option. Logan and Wilson ran a mesh just like we do. I disagree about the original poster’s claim about VT having less talent, but come on dude stop rattling off the same trite nonsense that everyone says about CPJ’s offense. Last night came down to execution, and saying otherwise is just being stupid.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are right...
About the execution. If GT was hitting on all cylinders last night, VT could not have stopped them. Was GT’s to win or lose midway through 3rd quarter. Would have like to see the outcome if that “head punch” had not occurred. Hate it for that kid. He’s a hell of a player, and seemed to just get caught up in the moment.
by HOKIESTONES on Nov 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, the score is 27-26 and VT is facing a 4th and 20 to give the ball back.
Even still, at 34-26 Tevin misses a wide-open Roddy Jones down the middle of the field. Part of me thinks he didn’t throw it because it’s the same exact route he got picked against Clemson throwing a lollipop pass.
I don’t mind CPJ going for it on 4th and 1 at our own 32 either. Jay Finch (our C) was put on his back (and your SS made a great hit)…and if we can’t get a yard in our offense then we don’t deserve it.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think deserve has anything to do with it...
Every year since CPJ took over, this game comes down to one or two critical moments, or plays. Its always competitive, and always fun to watch how they scheme against each other. GT always fields a good team, as have the Hokies. It will be the same next year. Good luck to GT the rest of the way. See ya in next season.
Ok let me rephrase that.
Virginia Tech may not be “less talented,” but they are not as good as Georgia Tech if we play like we can. If we played yall with proper coaching and playcalling on defense and better playcalling on offense, then I’m pretty sure we would have won.
We play better than Virginia Tech does when we are at our best is what I’m saying.
by RamblinWreck7 on Nov 11, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Very subjective statement. I’d like to see Logan Thomas running CPJ’s offense…he’s like Nesbitt (if Nesbitt was 5 inches taller and 30 lbs heavier) with similar athleticism and a much stronger/accurate arm.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's true though.
GT has more potential than VT. Were just not very consistent. If Al Groh could have coached a better game, then I think we would have won. It would have helped though if Paul Johnson wouldn’t have been so conservative last night. He wouldn’t throw the ball and his running plays were too conservative too. Almost all of our passing yards came at the end of the first half on that one drive. Even that 4th and 1 play up the middle was questionable. We probably should have done a sweep play to the outside. We played not to lose, when we should have played to win.
by RamblinWreck7 on Nov 12, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
No way to quantify any of this.
If a team made no mistakes, how good would it be? It’s purely academic. More times than not, the team that wins is the team that makes fewer mistakes, not the one who has the highest mistake-free ceiling.
by first and thom on Nov 13, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure these classless retards posing as VPISU fans don't represent the entire fanbase...
I mean, this is starting to rival the class of LSU fans post 2008 Chick fil A bowl…
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by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Subhuman behavior like that stems from very low self-esteem
Clinical research over the years does not offer much hope for them. With lots of support and therapy they can begin to feel better about themselves and start trusting that they no longer have to be in charge of dispensing justice for the universe. But the nature of their pathology is such that they think the rest of the world is at fault and until that changes they just remain small, scared, mean and relatively friendless.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
You didn't win the Lottery, you won a football game...
Your station in life hasn’t changed. You haven’t done the world any favors. A bunch of 18-21 year old kids that you root for and represent your favorite college (and most likely you didn’t go to school at) beat our 18-21 year old kids. Let’s talk a little trash before and after but then let’s move on.
PS…side note. At the end of the 1st quarter in the bowl game against LSU, I went to the restroom and walked up to a urinal next to an LSU fan in their late 40s I’m guessing. Down 28-0, I was trying to play it off by saying “it’s just one of those games” (meaning our team is not this bad, and your team is not that good). In about as serious and calm as anyone could have said, he simply says to me…“Nah, y’all just suck”. I was blown away…because I was convinced he absolutely believed it and it brought him pleasure. Not me ever, I said to myself, not me ever.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
When I started losing sleep over losses I re-evaluated my stance. How can something which I have absolutely zero impact on (and doesn’t really have significant meaning in the grand scheme) have such an impact on me. especially in light of the event unfolding at PSU we all need to realize that there are a lot bigger things in life than football…
by VTHokiEE06 on Nov 11, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
first time on the board
And I admire the fan base passion. But imho the justifications for losing are a little over the top. VT won the game, there were mistakes on both sides of the ball, too much emphasis on “the punch”. Here are some other reasons that determined the game besides that 15 yarder:
- VT outrushed you all 267-243
- VT won ToP 34:13 to 25:47
- Logan Thomas ran at will, partiulcarly on 3rd/4th and short
- David Wilson still racked up 175 yards even though you all knew he was going to run
- When LT wasn’t running over your line and backers, he was completing passes at an average clip of almost 30 yards
- 5 sacks???
- we completely shut down your up the middle
Your offense is a nightmare in the hearts of all ACC fans, but it’s a double edged sword. The points above were too much to overcome, and to me the most telling stat of them all is the -15 yards O in the 4th quarter.
how much of your offense...
A good 80+ yards of your offense was gained due to “the punch” (also inflates your t.o.p stats) Another 60+ yards or so happened on one play at the end of the 1st half. Yeah, your QB and WR had to throw and catch the ball…but what was our D thinking?
You may have shut GT down up the middle, but they owned you on the perimeter. TW faked not one, but two pitches resulting in huge gains, and made the right reads on several others.
But like I said...
we didn’t have an answer for your mountainous QB rumbling up the middle. That gained VT several clutch first downs. Even if you spy him with a LB, he’s just as big as a LB, so difficult to bring down.
it was a 15 yard penalty
Not an 80 yarder. We still had to earn those yards.
We also gave you a fumble that resulted in some big yards and a loss of a potential score.
He's saying with that 15 yard penalty, you punt the ball away
You don’t gain those 80 yards, and maybe we gain 60. Huge swing right there.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Nov 11, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
well
I think he was saying that that entire drive worth of offense would have gone out the window.
While that foul really killed GT, it’s not like the GT defense was having their way with the VT offense. Sure, that drive would have gone away, but do you really think the GT D would have locked things down the whole rest of the way? No way.
Yes I do.
Anyone who follows Georgia Tech and pays attention knows how CPJ likes to orchestrate his wins. If Tech gets the ball back it is likely VT never gets another scoring chance due to Tech managing the clock.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 11, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's the sound byte
every blogger and talking head likes to say about your offense. To blindly say that you all could have controlled the clock at will except for that one stupid personal foul call totally dismisses the flow of the game as it played out.
Momemtrum shifts happen, but teams can answer the call and capture it back. That penalty happened in the 3rd quarter, before your failed 4 and 1 at your own 31 and GT’s attempt at pocket passing in the 4th quarter.
VT1996’s comment echoes my point: The GT-D did NOT lock things down and we still marched down the field after the 15 yarder, then finished off later with 7 straight run plays for the last scoring kick.
Dunno...after the PF GT looked listless...
…IMO the personal foul really seemed to change the momentum. Intangibles mean a LOT.
No doubt VT was a handful. But we seemed to be in the game, back and forth, exploiting and getting exploited by strengths and weaknesses, until that point.
We made mistakes
And I don’t really think either coach “outschemed” another. They shoved third downs right down our throat. They were the better team last night. We had plenty of time to stop them from scoring after the personal foul. We gave them opportunities and they took advantage of them.
Jesus Christ.
I guess you’re a good program when you can manage to draw more comments and trolls from the opposing team’s fanbase when they win an upset.
by softbatch on Nov 11, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No s.hit.
Anyone who has time to create an extra screen name(s) just to troll leads a sad life.
by 071u on Nov 11, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
love of the game
it’s nice to have some debate with opposing fan-bases rather than just chest thumping with your fellow homeboys about how great you are. And, btw, most of these guys you’ll see on GobblerCountry, if you haven’t done so before visit sometime yourself- you don’t need to create a new screen name, just login with your existing Rumble account.
P.S. – VT was a 1 pt favorite, not an upset.
not quite an upset when one team is favored by 1 point
/just sayin’
CTOB
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
so shot me . . .
you can even borrow one of my guns . . .don’t cruise through here often enough to recognize your trolls
CTOB
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But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Sure last night was disappointing
but we are still on pace for a good season in my book.
Time to focus on duke and georgie
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by Winfield Featherston on Nov 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions
My two cents, a few days late
‘The Punch’ lost the game. It had been a toss up before that, with MO shifting back and forth, but that just took the wind out of our sails. We never recovered after that.
Maker's Mark--nectar of the gods...
by chrisinindy on Nov 12, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Found my way on here somehow
As a Hokie, you all lost the game the instant that punch landed. It was totally back and forth until then and I was the usual nervous fan wondering if the triple option torture would ever stop. Then that punch landed and a few plays later Logan Thomas waltzes into the endzone and GT just looked like the wind fell out of the sails for most of the remainder of the game. I never really doubted the result of the game after that series.
Glad we won and glad the next game (with a junior Logan Thomas and senior David Wilson!) is in Blacksburg.
VPI&SU? Vippie Sue? What the hell is that?
You confirmed my feelings
I was absolutely confident until that punch was thrown. After it was thrown I was despondent because I have seen before how quickly this team can come unglued when they lose control of a game.
by Atlanta's original team on Nov 14, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Ditto...
And thanks for being respectful and not immediately jumping over our fans’ right to vent after a tough loss from a totally winnable game (like some of the idiots cherry-picking snippets of post-loss venting).
Logan Thomas and David Wilson are ridiculously good athletes. I think the one saving grace we have as a program is that we are young, especially in the tranches, and our experience and strength will only get better. Watching us get manhandled by a QB was tough to watch…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
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