Orwinning: Why Tech should abandon the forward pass...
by BirdGT on Oct 12, 2011 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintPoint #1 is an odd trivia question you'd hear at a Mellow Mushroom trivia night. No team is even close to this number. Georgia Tech has yet to field a primary quarter who could complete half of his throws since Reggie Ball was 18 years old. That's 920 misfires from 2004-2010 between Reggie Ball, Taylor Bennett, and Josh Nesbitt. If we had completed half of those incompletions during that stretch, I'd venture to say that Tech would've won at least one more ACC Title and beaten Georgie one or two more times. Tech needs a >50% passer. So let's stop at 50.7% just to end the streak.
Point #2. We're in the South. We're an old school fan base. We've got the option in our blood going back to Bobby Dodd and Pepper Rodgers. Let's just keep the ball on the ground.
Orwin Smith. Orwin is averaging 14.45 yards per carry. The passing game is only averaging 14.15 yards per attempt. Orwin Smith has been tackled for a loss twice in 33 carries while the passing game has failed to net a single yard 40 times (51.9% of the time). We've thrown two picks in 77 drop backs while Orwin has only fumbled once but it was recovered by GT. Orwin has netted a first down on 67% of his carries while the passing game only yields a first down 39% of the time. Orwin has doubled up the passing games touchdowns per attempt as well. So here is the plan. Double Orwin's load and distribute the rest of the pass attempts amongst the B-Backs and slotbacks and on wide receiver reverses./sarcasm
Actually this whole rant was focused on showing how critical Orwin Smith has been to this team. I think we really need to not necessarily drop the passing game but definitely include Orwin in more run plays. He's kicking ass and the stats don't lie. Any thoughts?
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Easy answer is more passes to Orwin
I do think Owrin needs to touch the ball more, but in a game like last week I think that may rest more on Tevin’s shoulders than anything else. If he keeps it 32 times that is a significant number of pitches, or handoffs on counter plays, that don’t go to any of the A-backs.
I think the single most frustrating thing about the passing game is that the problem is execution, not coverage. I really don’t think the answer is to stop it, and I don’t think you do either. I get the feeling Johnson keeps going back to it even on the days where Washington hasn’t been very accurate because he sees the same thing we do from the stands, wide open a-backs and wide receivers. It only takes one pass on the mark to make a 7 point difference at that point.
First thought...
A wholehearted apology to AJ Suggs for all the times I said “You Suck AJ”.
Now that that’s out of the way, I have to disagree with this analysis to a degree. My simple point is this…When the passing game is working, the pitch/counter to Orwin Smith opens up that much more. The ineffectiveness of the passing game the last few games is allowing defenses to press and cheat their corners up, and allow them to flood 9 and 10 defenders in the box and get penetration.
The effectiveness of Orwin Smiths YPC and the effectiveness of the Passing game are not mutually exclusive…
I think we need to get the ball in Orwin's hands
but that should come by taking away runs from Tevin. He has been ineffective the last few games due to the amount of times he has carried. We can’t abandon the pass however, as that keeps the defense on their heels and opens things up. If we can hit on one or two deep passes a game, that will pull another defender out of the box, making it easier for Orwin to get yards. The reason why our passing game has started to falter is due to poor passing on Tevin’s part. He has thrown some wildly inaccurate passes that I am assuming will be fixed by the Clemson game. We need to have a passing threat. Plus, who doesn’t want to see more catches by Stephen Hill. He is a BEAST!
Dude’s dropped 3 sure TD passes in the last 3 weeks. The WRs have to play better as well…
by TBuzz on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont think it is the WRs that have to play better. Tevin has been horrible throwing the ball the last two weeks.
Seriously, he's been all OVER the place....except near his receivers.
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by LilBroey700 on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Orwin Smith (MARRY ME!!!!) definitely needs more touches in the running game. He pratically crab-walked for about six yards for a touchdown the other week. The guy makes defenders miss easily and for those reasons I disagree with others that think the deep passing game is opening things up for him. It’s been my belief for three years that Orwin Smith is a beast and that he opens things up for himself. He’s exciting as heck to watch with the ball in his hands because as I’ve stated before, he looks like he’s always going to break it open for a huge gain. There’s no hesitation in him whatsoever like I see constantly in Peeples.
The issue is on Tevin to get him the ball. Maryland’s best weapon against us Saturday was Washington because he effectively took our A-Back’s out of the game. That has to stop.
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Agreed, Orwin can make his own plays.
The only concern with him last year was ball security. Either he is doing better or he is having better luck this year.
No
Orwin never fumbled the ball, the ball was just scared of his awesomeness.
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Yep
Passing opens up things in the run game for us for sure (which is the exact opposite of how everyone else plays football haha…)
Hill has dropped for sure 3 TD passes in the last couple of games. There was one that hit his fingertips, and if he would have laid out for it, would’ve caught it.
Really do wonder why we’ve gotten away from the trap / counter in the last 2 games.
Statistics are very misleading by the way.
by RamblinWreck7 on Oct 12, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You do understand that the majority of the post was sarcasm right?
Bird is not in favor of dropping the forward pass or even reducing the amount of passing we do, but instead that we should be giving the ball more often in the run game.
I mean, please tell me that this is just a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic post.
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I just want to point out that other teams now know the abilities of the Orwinback and from the A-back slot its tough to get him the ball where they wont focus on him. If they see him in motion they immediately fire to him to take away the pitch to him.In a straight option they are making Tevin keep it. His reads with A-backs have been pretty spot on its his pulling form the B-back where he is struggling. So until he makes that read correctly and becomes more of a runner then its going to be tough sledding for Orwin.Tevin has got to hit the hole harder and quit running like a QB and run like a RB when he has the ball in his hands. Tevin seems to brace for impact where Nesbitt brought the hammer.
Just my thoughts
I disagree regarding his pitch reads
The Maryland game is a perfect example of how he is missing his pitch reads. There were quite a few plays where the pitch was open and he should have made that read. It would have led to a handful of large gains.
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"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
They're different athletes though.
Nesbitt was a 230 pound battering ram, Tevin’s a smaller, lighter, shiftier runner. When Nesbitt ran head on after linebackers (and especially the secondary), they wanted to wet themselves. Now, Tevin coming at them means they need to figure out if he’ll juke, and which direction…because a guy listed at 6’1", 205 lbs is just not going to run anyone over.
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by LilBroey700 on Oct 12, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Oct 12, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
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