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Fight Song History: Origins of "Up with the White and Gold"

Members of Tech's 1913-1916 Glee Clubs wrote the lyrics to Up with the White and Gold.

Every good Tech fan knows the lyrics to Tech's age old song "Up with the White and Gold." However, the origins of the song have come into question lately by a few inquisitive West Coasters, the writers of California Golden Blogs. According to Georgia Tech's archived 1919 copy of "Up with the White and Gold", the song was written by three members of Georgia Tech's Glee Club.

The issue arises now-a-days as three schools lay claim to writing the original tune and lyrics. Neither of the three seem too happy to relinquish rights to a 100 year old tradition, either. Montana's fight song "Up with Montana" has the most dubious of origins seeing as they just claim they were the first ones to pen the song. Credibility is pretty low for the University of Montana's claims seeing as bear meat is still on the menu in most Montana restaurants. Here's the Montana version:

Up with Montana, boys, down with the foe,
Good ol' Grizzlies out for a victory;
We'll shoot our backs 'round the foe-men's line;
Hot time is coming now, oh, brother mine.
Up with Montana, boys, down with the foe,
Good old Grizzlies triumph today;
And the squeal of the pig will float on the air;
From the tummy of the Grizzly Bear.

I give it a 4 out 10 for fight songs. It has incredibly forced lyrics and appears initially to be an even tougher song to sing than Up with the White and Gold. The lines about "pigs squealing" and "tummy" did not stand the test of time.

Initial investigation into this issue led me to the Stanford Jonah article on wikipedia claiming Georgia Tech borrowed the song from Cal-Berkeley following the 1929 Rose Bowl. Well, I already knew this statement wasn't true as Tech was singing the song at least 10 years prior to the Rose Bowl. The earliest mention I found in the Blueprint was from the 1916 Blueprint, which would mean Tech men were singing the song as early as Fall of 1915. Below is a scan of the song in one of its formative versions:

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The best explanation I have heard is from the Cal-Berkeley guys over at California Golden Blogs. They say that the Cal Glee Club made an adventure to Europe in 1914 singing their version of the song "Stanford Jonah" all over the U.S. and that it's possible the Cal Glee Club stopped through Atlanta. The three men credited with the lyrics of "Up with the White and Gold" were in Tech's Glee Club from 1913-1916 and may have poached a few lyrics along with the tune. Here's the Cal version written in 1913:

When the training days are done, And the Big Game's just begun,
And there's music in the air; When our team runs on the field,
Stanford knows her fate is sealed, For the Golden Bear has left his lair.
When the yells of lusty throats Start to getting Stanford's goats,
And the rooting section seems a howling mob, Then you grab your hat and shout,
You let folks know you're about, For you know that Stanford Jonah's on the job.
Chorus
So then it's up with the Blue and Gold, Down with the Red; red, red, red
California's out for a victory, We'll drop our battle axe on Stanford's head; chop
When we meet her, our team will surely beat her. Down on the Stanford farm, there'll be no sound,
When our Oski rips through the air. Like our friend Mister Jonah, Stanford's team will be found,
In the tummy of the Golden Bear.
Chorus

The Oski (like Tech's old Bow-wow cheer) was a chant in the early Cal days. The Axe is the rivalry trophy given to the winner of the Stanford-Cal game ever year - a tradition that saw its beginnings in 1899. And, of course, the Big Game is the Stanford-Cal game played annually.

Now, the reason Tech's fight songs are longer and more lyrical versus other less than creative fight songs was because Tech's Glee Club was the elite club after its 1908 founding. The Tech Glee Club traveled all over the Eastern Seaboard and performed highly publicized shows in Atlanta with either the Georgia Tech Mandolin Club or Georgia Tech Orchestra (early band). It wasn't uncommon for 100 men to try out for the 30-40 man roster of Tech's early Glee Club. And since the Glee Club (and band) leaders needed songs of musical value, they wrote the lyrically fun and boisterous fight songs that we know today in "Up with the White and Gold", the Alma Mater, and "Ramblin' Reck from Georgia Tech" to build up a school spirit-driven repertoire.

Now, any great Tech history buff would retort, "I thought Georgia Tech discontinued the Glee Club after America's entry in to World War I!" Good old-fashioned hazing replaced the Glee Club's niche in teaching incoming freshmen the fight songs. The Institution known as Freshmen Rules (or RAT rules) further provided a platform to solidify the early fight songs in the hearts of early Tech fans. Among many other rules required of incoming freshmen, all new students at Tech were required to memorize several chants and fight songs before being allowed to attend the football games. Strict social and sometimes physical retribution was incurred if new students didn't oblige the upperclassmen demands. Even though enforcement of RAT rules is considered illegal by modern law, Tech fans generally agree that knowledge of the fight songs is a rite of passage for every true Tech fan.

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by TwistNHook on Jul 13, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

old farm

I always thought the old farm worked a lot better in Cal’s version because of Stanford’s reputation as being built on a farm. Very interesting how songs come about… In any case we still absolutely own the best fight song ever created.

by Corey Black on Jul 13, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post, Bird

Growing up in North Dakota and following FCS football, I’ve heard Montana’s version a few times. Always wondered on the history, especially with them accusing us of stealing. I think the explanation given here makes the most sense, but we’ll probably never know for sure. Not that it matters, UWWG and RWFGT are two of the best fight songs in all of college sports.

by NoDak_jacket on Jul 13, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

And the squeal of the pig will float on the air

Paddle faster I hear banjos!

Is Ned Beatty in the house?

http://www.twistedsiblings.com/gallery/albums/twisted_stickers/deliverance.gif

“He’s gotta pretty mouth”

So that’s my Deliverance throwback for the week. Next week: Porkys!

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jul 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the 1916 version better

Let’s see a show of hands:

“…down on the old farm…till our bow-wows rip through the air….” Smells like a Clarke County Cow College fight song.

or

“….down of CPJ’s field…till our kickoff (and A Back/B Back option) fly through the air….”

The current version has always vexed me as I feel I need to take Freshman Powertool Technology, Basketball (how many points do you get for a 3 point shot), sniff hydrants, drink until I’m Red and Black, and waste the Taxpayers money on my education. But in the end if I drive slowly enough through Athens, somebody will throw a diploma in my car (probably not JAN KEMP).

by DressHerInWhiteAndGold on Jul 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

It's Georgie's farm...

Cal’s version refers to their students going to Stanford’s “farm” and rallying around them with their Oski cheers. Our version is a perfect lifting of that as Georgie is an Agg school in Bumbletrucks county somewhere between Hogart and McNutt, Georgia. It is THEIR farm our students are singing about rallying on with us “swarming ’round” the Athenians with our “Bow Wow” cheer – which, if you haven’t heard that chant you need to look it up. It’s easy to see why we don’t do it anymore, but it’s a great old-school college chant.

by GT_Jason on Jul 13, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

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