The Ultimate Sporting City Debate Play-in Game: NOLA vs. Cleveland
In a vicious move late last night, the city of Cleveland, Ohio snuck up and sliced Cincinnati's throat and claimed the last and final spot in the Ultimate Sporting City Debate. Therefore, Bird and I discuss New Orleans, LA vs. Cleveland, OH. First, Bird talks NOLA. Then I talk Cleveland. Ready? GO!
New Orleans Bio
- Major Teams: Saints (NFL), Hornets (NBA)
- Titles: Saints (2010)
Venues
You can't talk New Orleans sports without talking about the Sporting Flagship of the city: the Louisiana Superdome. This sports town was destroyed in the wake of Hurricane Katrina but was reborn inside the Dome on September 25, 2006 in front of a Monday Night Football audience of 14.9 million people. The Dome is steeped in athletic tradition as it has hosted more Super Bowls than any other venue (6), plays host to the Sugar Bowl (America's second oldest bowl game), and has also hosted four college hoops Final Fours.
The People of New Orleans

In New Orleans, when your team goes to the Super Bowl you dress like a woman.
The New Orleans fans are probably tired of hearing about their story of destruction, rebuilding, and rise but this is really what seems to be the common thread amongst so many Saints fans' mantras. The teams of New Orleans have never been good. Sure, they had Archie and Pat Swilling but for the most part the City has endured decades of sports futility. Yet, through the missed PATs after ridiculous hook and ladders and the "Aints" paper bag heads and the Jazz leaving the City, the fans have endured.
The fans really are the guy who was always the best friend who got his heart cut out continuously as his hot chick friend kept going after losers. And boy did that hot chick go after some real losers (Jim Haslett/Bum Phillips). The good friend in this story, however, became the boyfriend and his patience, only equaled by his obsessive fervor, actually paid off. The best friend who got the "hot chick" (Sean Payton/Drew Brees/Chris Paul) is the New Orleans fan.
Great Teams/Sporting Moments
There's no disputing the greatest team in New Orleans history. The 2009 Saints went 13-0 before losing their first game. This set a new NFC record for consecutive wins to open a season since the AFL-NFL merger. There were 5 Pro Bowlers on the Super Bowl winning roster including superstar quarterback Drew Brees.
From 1974-1979, the New Orleans Jazz were the City's NBA franchise. Due to conflicts with the Big Easy mostly related to venue locations, the Jazz left New Orleans for Utah. A franchise didn't return until 2002 in the form of the transplanted Charlotte Hornets. The best season for the New Orleans Hornets was Chris Paul's junior season in which the Hornets won the Division in 2007-2008 and defeated the Mavs in the first round of the playoffs eventually falling to the Spurs in the second round.
Great Individuals
The Manning Clan makes its home in New Orleans. Peyton and Eli grew up watching their father, Archie, play for the Saints from 1971-1982. That's 13 Pro Bowl selections from one family. I consider that an impressive feat. Other famous individuals include Avery Johnson (former coach of the Dallas Mavericks), Marshall Faulk (NFL), Clyde Drexler (NBA), and Reggie Wayne (NFL).
Random Trivia
Five current members of the SEC have as many SEC football titles as the Tulane Green Wave (a team that departed the SEC in 1966). The Green Wave won the SEC in 1934, 1939, and 1949. Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas have only combined for 3 total titles since 1933 despite the Green Wave spotting these 5 universities 43 more years of play.
Cleveland Bio
Major Teams: Browns (NFL), Cavaliers (NBA), Indians (MLB)
- Titles: Indians (1948)....oh so close so many times after 1948.
Venues
The Indians and Browns shared stadiums, Municipal Stadium, until 1995 when the original franchise was snuck out of town to Baltimore. Since the new franchise and same name came back, the Browns have played in Cleveland Browns Stadium.
The Indians play in a newer stadium as well in Jacob Field Progressive Field (built in 1994), it always provides a fun atmosphere. In 2007, the stadium hosted the MLB All-Star Game. The Indians have played in 2 World Series since the Field’s opening in 1995 and 1997. Progressive Field at one point held the longest sell-out record (455 games) until it was broken in 2008. This is just one illustration example of Cleveland’s strong sporting fan base.
The People of Cleveland
What makes Cleveland such a great sporting city is its people. The city’s fanbase is rabid. In the mid-1990’s, the Cleveland Indians owned the longest consectuive sellout streak. The record wasn’t broken until 2008. In football, the Browns have a special section of fans that have survived two separate Cleveland Browns franchises in what is dubbed "The Dawg Pound", one of the more intense groups of fans in the NFL. ESPN has called the city "The Most Tortured [Sports] City" in 2004, largely because of the absolute sports passion for the city mixed with the lack of championships in any of the major sports. In summary, the people of Cleveland live and die with their sports teams.
Great Teams/Sporting Moments
It can be argued that Cleveland is a losing city who just can’t seem to get it 100% correct and win a championship. However, the city does have its moments that it can claim as special and those that brought the fanbase and the team together as a whole. 1995 brought back the Cleveland excitement as the team went from 6th place in 1993, a strike ended season in 1994, to World Series contenders in 1995 with a record of 100-44, the first time in the World Series since 1954. In 1997, the Indians returned to the World Series again. During this streak of baseball success, the Indian enjoyed a 455 game sellout streak.
Great Individuals
One cannot mention Cleveland without also mentioning Lebron James. Since the Akron-born player joined the Cavaliers in 2003 at the age of 18, the franchise has soared to new heights both in the regular and post seasons. Additionally, James was recently announced the 2009-2010 season MVP, his 2nd award and only the 10th player to win multiple MVPs.
It may be hard to believe but Manny Ramierez did at one point play for the Indians. He also was not very fat. Stupid yes. Fat no.
Manny, back in the day
Additionally, while Georgia Tech will always be known as the stomping grounds of John Heisman, Cleveland can claim his birthplace. Heisman was born in Cleveland in 1869. A few other rather famous athletes call Cleveland their hometown including Jesse Owens, Cy Young, and more recently British Open winner Ben Curtis.
Random Trivia
Larry Doby of the Cleveland Indians was the first black player in the American League in 1947. My great grandfather was offered money to play for the Indians in the 1920’s. He declined because he was making more money in the grocery business. Instead, he played in an amateur league where the city title was decided in front of over 100,000 fans who came out simply for their love of the game.
Alright so the arguments are on the table. Who is a better sporting city and who advances? Cleveland, Ohio or New Orleans, LA?
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I picked New Orleans...
…albeit I was expecting a romp in the park against Cincinnati before I read this switcheroo. Plus, Cleveland’s best college team (Akron) is a joke in every sport…
With no powers, comes no responsibility.
Too much emphasis on college in this one?
Tulane vs. Akron is a meh matchup.
I think the relative strength/history of Cleveland’s pro towns outweighs anything the pro sports of New Orleans provide. Their original team NBA is now in Salt Lake City and their Charlotte leftover team isn’t very good. The resurgence of the Cavs alone tips this one in favor of Cleveland IMO.
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Great decision
for adding Cleveland instead of Cincy. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in both and Cleveland clearly kicks Cincinnati’s ass in every respect. Great call on the Cleveland fans, too. The Browns game that I went to a few years back was freakin miserable in every respect—the weather, the talent on the field, the depressing gray day…but their fans were amazing.
Who cares if the Browns suck so bad. It is a great place to go see a game.
Maker's Mark--nectar of the gods...
New Orleans was a great sports town once upon a time
when the Sugar Bowl was played in an outdoor historic stadium and Tulane was actually thought of as a powerhouse in the Southeast. Certainly anybody who didn’t pull for the Saints in the recent Super Bowl is guilty of not loving the Lord and having smelly feet but other than that this is not a town that I associate with sports anymore.
by Atlanta's original team on May 11, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I think New Orleans
…should get a point for Pat Swilling alone.
With no powers, comes no responsibility.
WTF
The fans really are the guy who was always the best friend who got his heart cut out continuously as his hot chick friend kept going after losers. And boy did that hot chick go after some real losers (Jim Haslett/Bum Phillips). The good friend in this story, however, became the boyfriend and his patience, only equaled by his obsessive fervor, actually paid off. The best friend who got the “hot chick” (Sean Payton/Drew Brees/Chris Paul) is the New Orleans fan.
Maker's Mark--nectar of the gods...
Close... but not quite right
Whoever wrote the article noted the one World Series win — but forgot about the other one… and the 5 AL Pennants; not to mention the 4 Browns NFL championship trophy’s (and another 4 AAFC titles under Paul Brown as well)
INDIANS
World Series titles (2) 1920 • 1948
AL Pennants (5) 1920 • 1948 • 1954 • 1995 • 1997
BROWNS
NFL Championships (4) 1950 • 1954 • 1955 • 1964
AAFC Championships (4) 1946 • 1947 • 1948 • 1949
Has Cleveland won a MAJOR championship since 1964? No, that’s a given… but give the town a little more credit than one WS title in 1948. You can argue that the city holds at least 6 MAJOR championships… some would argue more, as the AAFC Browns were the same team that won all the championships in the NFL. Anyhow, the Browns and Indians pre-1965 were real powerhouse teams.
You would be re-missed to not give a nod to the original Cleveland Barons of the American Hockey League as well – which pre-1960’s was a hugely successful league (it still exists today). How big were the Barons back then? They existed from 1938 to 1973 and played in 15 championships during one 27-year period — winning 9 Calder Cups. To this day, they are regarded as the most successful team in AHL history.
Unfortunately, the last 45+ years has seen nothing but misery and heartbreak. And no significant “championship” since 1964… but that doesn’t stop countless fans from going to see the Browns, Cav’s, Indians and now the Monsters (new AHL team)… the misery and heartbreak is what makes the fans so tough.
Sporting city? It’ll be tough to find one more passionate in so many sports beyond Cleveland. Winning championships is great, but isn’t and shouldn’t be the only criteria.
yes yes yes good points
Cleveland had a very small amount of time to ready its attack plan. Clearly it worked and experts believe an even stronger strategy in the upcoming rounds.
by Winfield Featherston on May 11, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland Barons?
I thought hockey was off the table in this part of the internets …
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Pretty lopsided matchup
Cleveland is the most longsuffering sports city in the country, while it took New Orleans 40 years to sell out a single Saints season. This one’s a blowout.
Longest Atlanta Falcons winning-seasons streak: 2008 - current
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I realize I’m a bit biased here, but NO could never hope to be the sports city that Cleveland is. After all the heartache we’ve gone through and how loyal we still are. There is no city that can compare, what with The Drive, The Fumble, The Shot and the Jose Mesa situation. It’s more than suffering, it’s torture the way that things have gone recently, but the city is and always has been behind our teams.















