Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: In Crunch Time, Spurs Don't Change Their Game

Who Stings Tech: The crafty veteran vs. the athletic rookie

I was watching the hockey game and reading up on the rules of hockey including the statistics. I came across the idea of points versus goals. In hockey, points are the sum of your goals and assists. So I devised a quick formula for points in basketball. I basically just award a player 2 points for every assist since their team will receive at least 2 points for the assist (and I don't want to look through every box score to determine if the assist was a three or two). So my hockey formula looks like this:

(Points Scored + Assists*2)/Time Played = Hoc/Min

Now, the original intent of the post was to determine if crusty veterans are more of a hindrance to Tech or if athletic freshmen and sophomores were bigger pains in the ass for Tech. I broke down the stats of every ACC player that played at least 19+ minutes against Georgia Tech this season. There are 69 such players including 34 guards and 35 forwards/centers. I lumped the centers into the forwards category because there aren't many centers and the ACC center is more or less a forward.

Overall_medium
Overall2_medium

There are two important things I wanted to point out from these tables. First, notice how ineffective freshmen are compared to the other guys. Imagine if we could keep guys at Tech for another year or two. Development is not an imaginary concept. There are data to show guys get better year to year. The other point I'm trying to make with the charts is that guards are the key to winning against us. Guards make the offense go. Relying on big men is okay but smart, quick guards that can make assists and not turn the ball over are the guys who really beat Tech. It's incredibly evident in the guards split up by age table.

Overall3_medium
Overall4_medium

Senior guards are scoring more per minute against us and tallying more assists per minute against us. Note that as the opposing guards get older, their Hoc/Min goes up. Pretty neato.

I'll go ahead and point out my fatal assumptions in this analysis. I'm assuming that every player receives the same level of coaching year to year. I'm also assuming that player performance is independent of the game atmosphere (e.g. home=away=neutral court). Another bad assumption is that Georgia Tech plays at the same level game to game. We may simply not want to play some games. I'm not in the mind of every player or coach. I don't know if there is something external (family life, work, etc.) affecting their abilities on the court. However, I still think it's an interesting collection of data.

I'm looking forward to the end of the season. I think this Tech team knows the ball is no longer in our court. We've gotta steal the ball, race down the court, and do a 360-Ismail-style dunk to get back into the tourney at this point and I think the team knows it. BC is first up. Any thoughts?

Comment 6 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

More from From The Rumble Seat

Hewitt Poll Returns

Feb 2010 by BirdGT - 4 comments

Q&A with BC Interruption

Feb 2010 by BirdGT - 1 comment

Comments

Display:

shoulda included turnovers

and probably FG%

I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass.

by BirdGT on Feb 23, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Nice analysis

And it’s something to be expected. It’s also probably the same for most teams.

I’m still disappointed with that Maryland loss. We really needed that win, or at least I felt like we did. I just hope we don’t lose one at home and maybe we can take the Clemson game at their place.

"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC

by Jesse28 on Feb 23, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Junior Forward/Centers

It’s the smallest sample size, but the junior forward/centers are killing us. Besides Singler, who else is in that group?

by GTFridge25 on Feb 23, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

unc box score

Had Will Graves as a forward so 24 points from him in 30 minutes.

I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away. Little bastard shot me in the ass.

by BirdGT on Feb 23, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh yes

The game in UNC where we decided to let him bomb threes. Thanks for the info.

by GTFridge25 on Feb 24, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not convinced

I think the analysis is interesting and it is a great question to ask. However, the role of each position pretty much gurantees the result. The bigs do score more points per minute, so I would think the gap is a lot narrower than shown here.

I agree that subtracting turnovers would make the formula more robust, since guards also are going to have more turnovers then bigs, so that should decrease the advantage of the guards. If you subtract turnovers than do you add offensive rebounds since those in effect create an extra possesion?

Since turnovers and offensive rebounds don’t lead directly to points there would need to be a weight applied to these factors as well. I am pretty sure there are some models out there that try to account for all this, but I would have to dig around and see if they release their actual formula and weightings.

Also, since Favors is such a good shot blocker and Lawal is a pretty good one, I would love to see the eFG% of our opponents, to see how the positions differ. The national average is currently 48.8 while our opponents only average 42.9 %.

Tech’s offensive numbers are below, but it is mostly the bigs leading the way on shooting percantage, even with the adjustment for three point shooting. However, we really only have one high volume three point shooter who shoots at a high percentage and he is second on the team in eFG%. Therefore, a team with better outside shooters might have better luck shooting from the outside than facing our shot blockers inside.

Favors 59.7
Oliver 58.5
Peacock 54.2
Lawal 52.2
Rice 50.5
Bell 48.5
Udofia 44.5
Shumpert 44.1

by GTwill on Feb 24, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to FromTheRumbleSeat, a "bastion of capitalization and grammar skills."

SHOP THE FROM THE RUMBLE SEAT STORE

Gameday Depot University Apparel


Regional Co-Managers

Hokiesplat_small BirdGT

Gravatar_small Winfield Featherston

Assistants to the Regional Managers

Ramblinracket_small Ramblin Jeff

Orwin_smith_small Jesse28

Dscn2741cropped_small orientalnc

Nate_small GTNate

Images_small Atlanta's original team

Small LilBroey700

Directors of Personnel

Small acedarney