Are penalties crippling the Yellow Jackets?
by BirdGT on Nov 19, 2010 8:00 AM EST
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PrintA few days ago loyal reader and commenter Beernutts pointed out that we didn't factor penalties into our team's faltering 2010 season. Well, let's look at penalties today. The most called penalty for Georgia Tech is the false start. We've racked up 22 false starts in 2010. We had 28 in 2010. That means we're false starting at 10% higher rate in 2010 than in 2009. This really isn't that bad considering we've got a ton of young guys on OL and a big chunk of false starts were at loud as Hell Blacksburg.
I broke down 2009's penalties before last year's Georgie game. Procedural penalties are objective, simple penalties like false start, ineligible receiver downfield, or offsides. Dangerous penalties are late hits, personal fouls, roughing the kicker/passer, and illegal blocks. Subjective penalties are holding, pass interference, and unsportsmanlike conduct. I just kinda wanted to show that we're running at about the same rate in all penalty areas at about the same proportions as last year.
Last year, Nesbitt was our most penalized player. He accumulated 45 yards in 2009 penalties. This season Mario Butler is leading with 47 yards in pass interference penalties. I know a lot of people are frustrated with Butler's penalties but I kinda think it's a mixture of being matched up with #1 receivers and the fact that he is left man to man in a lot of blitz packages.
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Confused
I’m not clear on the time scale for the 2009 penalties. Is that for all of 2009 (14 games), through 10 games, or what? I assume the 2010 penalty numbers are through 10 games.
Also, I have trouble seeing how Mario Butler could only have 47 yards of penalities. Aren’t pass interference penalties good for 15 yards each?
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Nov 19, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions
Depending on the place of the foul, it won’t be 15 yards. For example, inside the redzone, but not the endzone would be half the distance to the goal.
It's from the spot, up to 15 yards in college
From the spot, up to 99 in the NFL….which is how it should be, honestly.
by LilBroey700 on Nov 19, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
The penalties I tallied
are from all of 2009 versus all of 2010 so to compare multiply the totals of 2010 by 14/10 or seven fifths.
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I actually like that in this case, the pass interference rules are different. I think the college rule for PI is set up to keep an offense honest.Defensive backs in college are no where near good as in the pros. If the rules were same, QB’s would sling it deep every time in the hopes of getting a spot penalty. Conversely, NFL defensive backs will gladly give up 15 yards as opposed to 99.
how was
Nesbitt our most penalized player?
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by The_GT_LineageX11 on Nov 19, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions
Isn't false start
usually against a lineman?
Is there any way
to factor in timeliness? As in, penalties when we’re behind? Or penalties when we’re inside the opponent’s 40 yard line (scoring range)? Or past the 7th play of a drive? etc
one thing I have noticed
this year compared to last year – there appeared to be more longer plays from scrimmage last year and a grater number of offensive TDs from the long plays. I don’t recall any this year. Also, have we had any defensive TDs this year – seems like there were more in 2009
by twojackets on Nov 19, 2010 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Looks the same rate overall
So for 2010 and 2009 were are basically at 6.5 fouls per game – suggesting that no, penalties are not an issue. Would have the splits handy to see if the split between offense and defense fouls are the same from 2009 to 2010? I suspect that fouls by the offense are more damaging to GT than fouls by the defense. So, if there are more offensive fouls than compared to last year, then that might be a problem even the total number of fouls per game is unchanged.
by Dive Keep and Pitch on Nov 19, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions
The stats
This discussion is an interesting parallel to a discussion at Dawgsports. UGA is statistically better (in some instances, way better) than last year’s bulldogs. However, it’s record is worse. UGA is only 1.7 combined points per game (points for less points against) than the 2005 SEC championship team widely considered one of the best UGA squads. Yet we’re 5-6.
Sometimes you play better but the breaks go against you. Sometimes the numbers go up but the record doesn’t follow. There is an irreducible element of randomness in this game, and our stats are too crude to capture the determining variables.
Best of luck against Duke.
yeah stats and football
don’t go hand in hand like stats and baseball. There just aren’t enough games. Every season is completely different. Every play is very dissimilar than the previous defensively and offensively. And individual performances have the ability to overwhelm the norm (e.g. Georgia Tech always runs for 300 yards so ACC teams that have played GT appear to have bad rush defenses).
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For the record (pure numbers, gathered from here:
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalty-yards-per-game)
GT 2009: 6.0 penalties/game for 46.2 yards/game
GT 2010: 6.7 penalties/game for 57.9 yards/game
Also, the number of opponent’s 1st downs from penalties is striking as well:
GT 2009: 0.8 Opponent 1st downs from penalties
GT 2010: 1.8 Opponent 1st downs from penalties
So, not a trivial difference between the 2 years IMO.
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