What went well
I generally don't take football losses too hard. I try to think about games that hurt more to help alleviate the immediate shock of losing a heart breaker. Last night, I went in to the game already pissed off because of the Georgie loss. I really couldn't get into the football game because the basketball game stuck in my craw so bad. We were by far a superior squad yet still couldn't shake the Stegeman monkey off our backs.
Anyways, I wanted to look at what we did well in the OB real quick. It mostly relates to individual play as the 11-men units struggled all night to execute. Individually, I think Derrick Morgan played a great game. He occupied blockers and was a noticeable force against some of Iowa's green linemen most noticeably Riley Reiff. The only guy that was effective one on one against Morgan was Bryan Bulaga.
I thought the secondary adjusted well in the second half. It didn't hurt that Iowa's only apparent wide receiver, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, hurt himself on Landshark's weird as Hell surface. Looking at the numbers, Stanzi went from completing 60% of his passes in the first half to 50% of his passes in the second for a whole lot less yardage. They didn't really need to pass but that's besides the point. The secondary limited the passing attempts to underneath routes as the yards per attempt dropped by about 30% in the second half (going from 8.8 YPA to 5.9 YPA). I'd say game ball in the secondary would go to Mario Butler.
The fullback option and Jonathan Dwyer in general were the offense. Dwyer appeared to be playing one on four the whole game. And I think it's really going to hurt our offense next year if he leaves early. It'll be tough to replicate his strength and tenacity. Even Iowa's best defenders couldn't bring Dwyer down without help. That's not an indictment of Iowa's excellent defense but more so a testament to Dwyer. He's gotta be the most NFL ready running back we've seen at Tech since Tony Hollings (pre-ACL tear).
I guess my final point is that last night felt like I was watching the Miami Hurricanes Thursday night debacle mashed with Georgie's Bobo the Clown attack. A squad that's not totally efficient on offense but only really needed to run the stretch, iso, and counter all night to keep our defense on the field. In addition, they brought a defense that didn't over pursue and flew to the ball like Miami. In short, a good old fashioned debacle. They defended us like Miami and ran on us like Georgie. I think with better backfield play, Iowa will definitely be in the hunt next year.
Thoughts are welcome. Also, I added a CPH Approval rating for today since we haven't had one since FSU.
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WTF are you talking about
“We were by far a superior squad "
Were you watching the Cumberland v. Georgia Tech game or the Orange Bowl.
You have completely lost all credibility and clearly have lost touch with reality.
I'm pretty sure
he was talking about the basketball game.
by TheCornballer on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
click the link in the paragraph
It’s the recap of a hoops game.
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
thinkings
Caveat: Iowa fan.
Dwyer IS a beast. He avoided a safety by breaking tackles from three of our best defenders (Clayborn, Angerer, Sash). Of course, he probably shouldn’t have tried running backwards on that play, but that was the only mistake of his that I saw all game.
At the beginning it looked like it could be a blowout, then your D clamped down (and yeah, DJK got hurt) and you made good second half adjustments. No matter what they say, there wasn’t a single Iowa fan who wasn’t worried when you got the ball with 9 minutes left in the fourth after taking the ball down the field on the previous two drives. After the interception on the first play of that drive, I thought “Thank god!”, not, “Of course, Iowa D is notti!”.
Finally: Great work on this blog, with the graphs and stuff.
My apologies
Still recovering from all the alcohol in my blood.
Good to luck to you guys next year and I can go get my GT hats out of the back of the closet. GT has been my 2nd favorite team forever and I am happy that I can stop hating you now. Anything is better then Duke and UNC
Go Jackets, GO HAWKS
Welcome back to reality.
Where’s the pie chart and graphs?
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions
I don't mean to be snide
but based on everything that we had heard about Morgan, it’s a stretch (at best) to say that he had a good game. He wasn’t a factor last night.
One major bitchmaking of Reiff
negated by Stanzi showing off his wheels, that was about it. He wasn’t bad by any means, but I didn’t see a top 15 draft pick.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
if you rewatch the game
Watch for when #91’s on the field for GT and when he’s not. There’s literally no push or pass rush when he’s off the field. There’s an OL in the backfield when he’s in. The pressure he applied and the ability to take on blockers in the run game was all that kept our defense from giving up ten thousand yards.
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
If that's the case
Then it depends on the NFL system he goes to. In a system where the D-line’s job is to occupy blockers and keep them off linebackers like a 3-4, then sure. However, in a 4-3 where the DE is expected to shed blockers and make plays, that’s not very good. I don’t think he’s big enough to be a DT in a 4-3, at least not in the NFL.
He won't play if he's slower than Stanzi, in any scheme.
Stanzi probably runs a 4.8 or 4.9, and he beat Morgan one-on-one, a month after surgery. The guy won’t play in a league of superfreak running backs.
Tech needed someone on that defense to be disruptive, and they geared their scheme to put Morgan in a position to do something. What did he do?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
He solidly beat
a redshirt freshmen on one or two plays!! Seriously though, I was surprised by the relative lack of impact that Morgan had. On the couple of plays with significant pressure by GT, Morgan was definitely there, but not nearly often enough to be a factor or as much as I feared going in (given what Graham and Schofield were able to do). Add to the fact that anytime Morgan lined up against Bulaga he was completely taken out of the play and I’d say Morgan’s peformance was decidedly underwhelming. Haven’t watched enough Tech to say definitively, but Morgand didn’t do anything to help his draft stock in the Orange Bowl.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
In all fairness
Tech didn’t get much of a pass rush when Morgan was in the game. The only time Rick was harrassed or had to hurry anything was when Tech sent a blitz, which wasn’t very often.
He might be a good player, but he’s hardly the elite defensive end that Todd McShay pimped him out to be in the leadup to the game.
Didn't mean the italics
SB Nation doesn’t need an edit feature. Not at all.
Last night was least amount of pressure Stanzi has had all year
we knew your defense was average but we thought Morgan was special. He is fourth best in Big Ten, at best.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Clayborn, Schofield, Odrick, Graham, Gibson, Heyward
Morgan fits in AFTER those at a minumum. Not saying that necessarily as a slam on him as much as the quality of the Big Ten D lines this year is scary.
Uh... Wootton?
He’s pretty good too.
Bully football is winning football.
by Bucketochicken on Jan 6, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think Wooton was a senior this year,
or at least I hope was. Heyward comes back next year for OSU, we all know that Clayborn is coming back, but I’m not sure about the other 4 guys listed there.
Agreed
Watching Tech constantly send only 4 guys, just to watch the Iowa tackles take the ends out of the play by pushing them upfield and out of the play never got old.
For some reason, Tech wouldn’t or couldn’t change. Their coaches seemed paralyzed, and and unable to make any adjustments.
Most of these southern schools are waking up to the fact
that Big Ten linemen are 3 inches and 25 pounds bigger than what they’re used to — and way stronger. It was more obvious against Miami, I thought. But one GT guy said, “we had seen them on film and all, but they’re a lot bigger in person”.
If Iowa can rush four, and our defensive tackles are 255 (ex-fullback) and 275 (ex-tight end and 100-meter sprinter), and GT can’t successfully double-team these undersize tackles (cf. PJ quote), that tells you there is superior strength and athleticism in the line. There wasn’t a Big Ten team all year that resorted to double-teaming our interior line.
The game is going to change nationally, I predict. The southern schools will start taking physical training more seriously, and this advantage we all had this year will disappear. It is funny at the moment, given the prevalence of the “slow, plodding, cornfed” meme, that it turns out Clayborn is twice the contributor of Morgan, who in turn is slower than … our gimpy QB. Sorry, but football still comes down to beating your man one-on-one.
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one play
Just because Morgan took a bad pursuit angle doesn’t mean he’s slower than Stanzi or that he won’t get drafted. Dwyer threw Clayborne down like a rag doll in our own end zone but that doesn’t mean Dwyer is stronger than Clayborne. It’s one play in an entire game. Morgan had a great game if you actually go back and watch every play. QB pressure and tying up multiple blockers for the linebackers is usually more important than actually getting the tackle. Especially when you’ve got smaller LB’s like GT.
I’m sorry I don’t want to attack a bunch of unpaid SA’s. I posted my thoughts after the game. Sorry if they offend you. Y’all played a great game. We played a bad game. Both were directly related to each other. No one is denying that.
You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity.
Yo are correct
The biggest problem is that when our ESPN culture starts to look at his overall performance in college they can and have keyed on one play and watch it over and over. They make the argument that big players make big plays in big games and watching Stanzi stay in front of Morgan is going to stick with some people. It isn’t necessarily correct but it does happen. Morgan most likely was a top 10-15 pick but may have slid to late first, early second round with this performance. There is little doubt in my mind that N Suh would not have been invited to New York had he not made the play in the Big 12 CG when he shed two blockers and threw Colt McCoy five yards. This isn’t an attack on Morgan, he is going to have a heck of an NFL career and I would love to be his agent, but this is the last time scouts had a chance to see him on the college level and those impressions stick.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, You
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know, man.
Big players play big in big games. It’s part of the evaluation.
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I agree
And don’t know if I was direct enough to make the point Morgan’s draft status was hurt by this game. He will play on Sunday but not for as much money he would have had he had Clayborne’s performance.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
Watch the play with Dwyer in the end zone again, Clayborne threw him into the endzone which would have wilted any mortal back, then the arguably two best hitters/tacklers from Iowa had shots at Dwyer and couldn’t bring him down. This is a testament to Dwyer’s strength but he surely didn’t throw Clayborne down like a rag doll. He’s going to get drafted and do well but his overall performance in this single game compared to the rest of the season was underwhelming. Was it a bad night for him or a good night for Iowa’s defense? Obviously neither of us can be completely objective when looking at this but on this night the Iowa D out performed the GT O – that fact is beyond question.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think another film clip that summarizes this game
is the all-world power RB, keystone to this offense, running backwards into the endzone to avoid contact. I mean, that was a seriously weird thing to do. How often do you see power RBs running away from contact — on the 10 yard line?
Call it anecdotal, but if a fullback did that playing for Ferentz, he’d never be heard from again.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
meh
Don’t get me wrong, I agree that it was dumb and I screamed at the TV for about five full minutes afterwards, but watchign the game again the next day, the only thought I came away with on that play was they Dwyer was doing everything possible to get that first down when he made the decision to turn around. Unfortunately, as soon as he made that decision, he was stuck with it for better or worse and in this instance it ended up being for worse. It was extremely late in the game, in a make-or-break situation, and the kid made a poor decision. It happens on every level of the game when players try to do too much in an attempt at salvaging a busted play, the win, the season, etc.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Running backwards is rookie mistake.
And rarely turns out well. I seem to recall Wegher regularly doing something similar earlier in the season. He would hit the line, get stopped, try to bounce it outside, and get dropped for a loss.
Dwyer was just trying to make something out of nothing and paid for it. It really is amazing that we didn’t get a safety out that play.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jan 7, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Morgan did not have a great game
and to continue to say so or think that means you must be living in a dream world. According to ESPN, he’ll be the first defensive end taken in the draft, and the 5th player taken overall.
I’ll say again…after listening to Todd McShay pimp Morgan and Dwyer as “players to watch” in this game, I expected a lot more out of them. Neither of those guys were ever factors in this game. Not once.
You can say Morgan had a great game, and I can say that whoever who was lined up against – Rieff of Bulaga – had pretty good nights against him as well. The only time the casual observer even knew Morgan was on the field was when Ricky Stanzi outran him for a first down, and that was only because you could see the back of Morgan’s jersey.
He is called Wommack
Now you know what we’ve been watching, and complaining about, all year.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
The Stanzi outran Morgan one-on-one for a critical first down in Q4.
Sorry, but he won’t even play in the NFL if he’s slower than 6’4" dropback quarterbacks with surgical ankles who are running while having the inconvenience of carrying a football. Because, you know, NFL running backs are a little faster than lanky passing gimps? Whence all the hype for this guy?
Johnson noted that GT was “combo-blocking” our interior line (double-teaming), and GT wasn’t able to stop them with double teams. Your success in the second half with that rocket sweep (not an option play at all, incidentally) indicated that he was giving up on the foundation play of the triple option, the interior dive; you had to get wide and get wide fast. This also enabled PJ to relieve Nesbitt of the obligation to read our ends, who were, in turn, optioning the QB. (Our DEs were playing assignment football, but not like most people where they take one guy and one guy only. They had multiple reads, and it was clear Nesbitt was befuddled, and PJ kindly relieved him of the responsibility (before his brain exploded) to figure out what the heck Clayborn and Binns were doing.)
Anyway, for me the Morgan hype encapsulates the game. After listening to scheme-hype for a month, it turns out that football is still won with stronger, faster, tougher play at the line of scrimmage. Morgan didn’t bring any of that. He’d probably start in the Big Ten. But …. ???
Mr. Boh Knows ...
All I see....
Is Clayborn going nuts. NORM PARKER! CHRIS DOYLE!
Yeah—just got back to nashville—finished off the 2 bottles of champagne we bought late last night in anticipation of a victory…at least we got drunk in the lobby of the diplomat waiting for the players to come back. A couple of things:
1)I don’t know why we didn’t mix in some tosses / pitches to the a-backs more…when we did it, it more or less worked.
2) On passing—in the first half, nesbitt had a guy wide open on a crossing route in the middle of their ‘awesome’ zone d. He tries the go route on the outside instead. In the 2nd half, nesbitt throws to the crossing route in the middle of the field and he’s intercepted….the Thomas was wide open down the far sideline.
AND Most importantly:
3) Our play was so effin awful last night, that some of the players that thought about going pro, I think will have no choice but to return next season.
two thoughts
1. When Iowa’s defense was on the field, especially in the first half, I was wondering how they didn’t go undefeated. I can’t overstate how impressed I was with the play of Angerer and Iowa’s line.
2. Watching Iowa’s offense, I wondered how the hawkeyes won any games this year (obviously, elite defense was the reason). Tech’s defense has been playing hard all year, but has been somewhere between horrid and below average pretty much the entire season. Although they had gotten a couple of turnovers, they hadn’t forced a punt in either of their previous two games. After the quick start by Iowa, the Tech defenders got there act together (with a little help from Stanzi, I have to say, BHGP readers, you were prescient with your pick-6 predictions), so bully for us, but if Iowa had moderately more consistent offense, they would have been able to put the game away in the third quarter.
3. What was up with the in-game strategy of CPJ and Ferentz? At the end of the first half Iowa, leading 14-7, had the ball and 2+ minutes on the clock, but started running out the clock rather than try to tack on some more points (was Sweatervest exerting mind control from Ohio?). After a running play on second down, Iowa had 3rd and 4 or 5 coming up, about 1:50 left on the clock (which was running), and the field position is such that Iowa was probably going to be across their 40 if they got the first down. With the hawkeyes getting into a dangerous part of the field, tech took a timeout before third down. After the timeout, Iowa came out throwing, got the first down, and ended up turning the ball over on downs on Tech’s side of the 50 with just a few seconds on the clock. Why on earth did CPJ call that timeout? Our offense isn’t conducive to a two minute drill even when things are going well. What about the flow of the game to that point suggested that we were going to march 70 yards down the field (assuming Tech had forced a punt)? I know CPJ likes to be aggresive, but there’s a difference between “press the advantage” aggressive and “charge of the light brigade” aggressive, and that was a lot closer to the Crimean war type.
But I’m equal opportunity in my criticism.
by Joe Hamilton's Chauffeur on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
To answer (from Iowa's side anyway)
1. You answered it with #2
2. You answered it with #1. It’s not prescient to predict Stanzi’s Pick Six when you already know it’s going to happen. We call them STANZIBALLS, and swing over to BHGP to see just how often that term shows up. The STANZIBALL is the only thing preventing Rick Stanzi from being a heisman candidate, in my opinion.
3. That is Ferentz 101. He is a clone of sweatervest when it comes to offensive strategy. Be honest – with our offense, wouldn’t you be? The entire scheme is simply “Defense, go win the game. Offense, don’t screw up what the Defense is going to do”.
I think people saw last night what Iowa fans have been saying all season. No, we haven’t been lucky. We’ve been letting our D win the game, because that’s exactly who we are. With an even “average” offense, I have no doubt we would have been a legit contender for the MNC.
We may have gone undefeated
has Stanzi not gotten hurt. He and our offense are wierd. They just win. But, when he got hert we went in the tank the rest of that game. In the next game we lost in OT on the road to Ohio State who demolished Oregon. No whining here. That’s football.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
IIRC we were up a couple scores when Stanzi went down vs. Northwestern
The rest of that game was heart-rending.
And yeah, we took OSU to the wire the next week with a freshman backup QB making his first start. We were very close to undefeated.
It was fun jawing back and forth with you guys, and I’ve really enjoyed learning more about your tradition-rich program.
Brunettes not fighter jets
The jNW game might have turned out differently.
If the Wegher TD was not negated by the pancake block/holding call on Eubanks.
I can sympathize with GT. They must feel about like we did after jNW ruined our undefeated streak.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jan 7, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh jeez
That call on Eubanks was utter BS. Thanks for reminding me of that. gag.
Brunettes not fighter jets
You win some, you lose some.
Just have to play through the bad calls. It could have been much worse, remember how Indy was treated.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Jan 7, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
1. Iowa WAS undefeated
until our QB was knocked out in game 10. We were 11-0 with our QB. Even the Colts lose when Manning doesn’t play.
3. Ferentz doesn’t coach like a college coach, he coaches like an NFL coach. If he decides he will hold a team to 17 or fewer points, we plan accordingly. It’s the inverse of a Leach, who is balls-to-the-wall, all the time. Iowa thinks that 24-14 counts as a W, and anytime we take a knee to end a game, it’s a rout. Just the way it is.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
As engineers, you will understand that a "low-variance" model is Iowa's objective.
Iowa seeks “low-variance” outcomes. That means gradually removing variability from game performance and outcomes, by design, once KF thinks he controls the LOS and has an answer to the other team’s offense. KF doesn’t think college teams can execute 15 plays well, sequentially. So we focus on simplicity, execution, consistency. It’s bad for tv and the rankings, it’s good in regard to wins and losses. College teams can’t, generally, execute 15 plays sequentially without error. Even Tech, with the vaunted long-drive offense, would do stuff like run backwards from the 11 into the end zone (????). (How gun-shy and frustrated had Dwyer become?)
I don’t think GT took seriously what Iowa did to half-a-dozen good quarterbacks and offenses this year. (Well, I don’t think Tech takes Iowa seriously even now, that’s why all we read is how Tech players and coaches think they lost the game, rather than Iowa winning it. There’s just huge cognitive dissonance, which is a valid psychological defense, I guess to … 32 yards.) We didn’t beat those guys, we psychologically dismantled them. Nesbitt was just one of a half-dozen. Again, 32 yards? 155 yards? When Iowa sees a game in which our D is winning their battles, we leave it at that and bland you to death. No gloating, no smack talking (did you see any?), no BS dancing, no humiliating score-running. Just four quarters of physical football and a glance at the scoreboard, in case anyone is interested.
According to one Tech player, we did, on defense, exactly what they expected us to do, based on their film study. Didn’t matter. We do what we do.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Nicely done
I love it when some folks just nail it. Iowa’s identity, perfectly sketched:
“When Iowa sees a game in which our D is winning their battles, we leave it at that and bland you to death. No gloating, no smack talking (did you see any?), no BS dancing, no humiliating score-running. Just four quarters of physical football and a glance at the scoreboard, in case anyone is interested.”
Or the inverse of an Urban Meyer
who wants more poll-porn.
Ferentz doesn’t care about things he doesn’t control (polls) and he doesn’t embarrass opposing teams (we shut it down in Q3 against South Carolina last year, when it was already 31-0). (I’m a little surprised people at Tech weren’t focusing on our 3-1 current-decade record vs. the SEC this year, instead of talking about their superior speed and scheme for the last month.)
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Thanks FTRS
It has been great getting to know the GT team and traditions and I think all of BHGP thank you for that – I hope no one is offended if I generalize for all Iowa posters. I also think I speak for many Iowa fans when I say if Nesbitt could complete 12-15 passes a game consistently we wouldn’t want anything to do with playing you again.
On at least three occasions this season Iowa had the ball and the lead in the fourth quarter. We needed one or two first downs to win by taking a knee and in each of these occasions we went with three runs or max protect, single receiver plays with 9-10 defenders in the box and had to punt. It did absolutely nothing for blood pressure but we play to the strength of this team. It took me a while to understand that I was actually as comfortable with our defense on the field at the end of a game as when the offense was out there.
Also I think we recovered three late fourth quarter on sides kicks to seal victories. KF never gets worked up about this and it is reflected in the team. Take what you can get, play to your strengths and leave the field with a victory. Heart stopping at times but successful 10 times this season – the Iowa State game doesn’t count – our offense beat the piss out of them, of course they were aided by six interceptions.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
hats off
to Iowa… yall came to play….
few words for Tech fans…. its only been two years… patience is a virture…. I know that we’ve have already had twenty plus wins in two season but we still have to be patient…..
Hats off again to Iowa…..
by The_GT_LineageX11 on Jan 6, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions
I think Bellanca has
eviscerated the notion that G Tech lost this game due to break downs of their own making. I don’t think a program can seriously become a national threat until they understand their own shortcomings and admit them and adress them head on. Own up, but until then it’s Polyanna at best to say you lost this game.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
This was GT's best play.
I think, if you want to understand the outcome of this game, is that you started the second half by abandoning the triple option. The base play in the PJ offense is the dive, and you couldn’t run it after double teaming the fullback and the TE who play tackle for Iowa. So with 32 yards total offense in the first half, with the best running offense in the country, GT had to abandon their game plan. Take a look at the play. No option there. USC ran this play from the I in 1972.
“Rocket Toss”http://www.flexboneassociation.com/Rocket%20Toss.jpg
(Link courtesy Chris Brown.)
Mr. Boh Knows ...
Rocket is part of the base offense
I’m not inclined to sift through all of the pre-game predictions, but I recall either Bird or Winfield predicting Rocket getting used quite a bit.
I’m sure you saw Norm Parker’s pre-game presser where he talked about Tech’s offense. He basically described every base play that we run. There are only four or five plays that we run(Triple, Midline (the one where the qb runs up the middle), Counter, Rocket and a Speed option play) with the variance showing up in formation and blocking assignments. The triple option play is called the most frequently, but it’s only called maybe 20% of the time.
I was thinking about the game some more last night, and the thing that most impressed me about the Iowa D was that they were able to stop those base running plays with the front 7. Tech’s offense has been stymied on a couple of occaisions since we went to the option attack, but the hawkeyes were the only team that I’d seen shut us down without having to bring a safety into the run game on a consistent basis. Keeping the safeties back shut down our passing game and made breaking a long run impossible. That’s a special group you’ve got up front. You should clone them.
by Joe Hamilton's Chauffeur on Jan 7, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The rocket toss is your constraint play.
It’s what you run when teams are overplaying your core offense: “cheating”, as it were. Chris Brown lays this all out pretty clearly here:
A constraint play is a change-up, a keep-them-honest, play. Your identity is the triple option. There’s no option in the rocket toss. USC was running that play in the early 70’s.
By definition, you can’t succeed if your constraint play is your primary play. It means the house is on fire. It means, oh no, we don’t have a game plan.
By opening with the rocket toss action outside in the 2nd half, PJ did get a little more traction with the base triple option offense. So its purpose in your O is clear.
It’s kind of you to note that we do not blitz and we do not stuff the box, and the guys are expected to beat their men one-on-one, and usually do. Iowa often, in fact, plays with 6 in the box, because we move Edds (OLB) outside to cover receivers. (Our defense depends on a 240 lb being able to cover slots, believe it or not.) Norm tells his players that their job is to make the guy next to him respect him for core toughness. Not speed, not brains, not anything else — but the guys on the field have to respect each other for toughness first. It’s old school, I know.
If you think back to the other Big Ten bowl games this philosophy appears to be taking hold at places like Wiscy, even OSU or PSU. Against a team like GT, or any spread-passing team, taking the LOS and bringing pressure with just four men restores competitive balance (restores numerical parity at the point of attack). I think this is a main takeaway for coaches in the south and west this year. They have to get stronger in the front four (and front seven) in order to deal with these spread passing, and spread-option, offenses. If you blitz those teams they will kill you with arithmetic (again, numerical advantage at the point of attack), just the way GT beat VT this year. The whole point of PJ’s offense is to leave the DE unblocked, read him, and have extra blockers at the point of attack. Well, that failed because he had to “combo block” our tackles, lost control of the dive play, which eliminated the first option, which led to the … rocket toss emphasis. Wiscy just embarrassed Miami, whose linemen looked positively fat, and did it with four men. And obviously, Oregon went from scoring 50 ppg to 17.
I would suggest that this is a strong key to Alabama’s fortunes tonight, as well.
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It also bears mentioning
That Tech was running the sweep to the offense’s right every time it was successful. In other words, the Tech offense was literally running away from Clayborn in order to find any success (Clayborn lines up at right DE, the offense’s left, and Iowa does not move its D players around like GT does with Morgan). That is (1) an indication of just how dominant Clayborn was in the game; (2) an implicit acknowledgment by Johnson of how good Clayborn was; and (3) a very good idea given the game to that point. It is, as Bellanca notes, a sign that you’re in deep, deep trouble as you are basically abandoning your offense and going with only one play.
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Smoke Route
What happened to the hot throw to d thomas and let him stiff arm the lone db guarding him while en route to a 30 yard gain? We didn’t try it one time all night—and I’ve seen it run at least once in EVERY game G Tech has played all season. An iowa fan said it best—it’s like we were paralyzed by the sweatervest clone and didn’t try anything different.
the only thing
I can figure is that route is dependent on the coverage. If the corner is tight, we don’t throw it so whenever it was called in, we must’ve audibled out.
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Even more interesting
We throw four straight plays on our last possession in the georgie game and we throw only three passes in the bowl game. While we may not throw it 15-20 times a game, it’s clearly evident that when we do, it has to succeed. Otherwise, defenses can just play numbers and send their DB’s in to play the run every single down.
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I don't know what this route is --
but if it is an inside release/slant, it was taken away by our corners. You couldn’t release inside and you couldn’t throw the slant because we were totally sold out on run support, and Nesbitt would have needed an RPG, not an arm, to get the ball through the crashing corners.
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here
video fast forward to about 1:14 or 1:15. Quick wide receiver screen. Usually an A-back or Tackle takes the corner.
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No
I’m talking about when Nesbitt throws the bullet straight outside to Thomas, it’s one on one…Thomas with the stiff arm, and it’s off to the races. I can’t tell you how many times that’s resulted in a 20+ yard gain. BUT, like someone said, they sat back in that variation of cover 2 or what seemed like it, and a safety could come up and make a play b/c we never established the run. Maybe that’s why we never ran it and shows how important it is to make plays early in the game?
The bubble screen only works
when the corner is playing back off the line of scrimmage. In the games when Tech ran that the corners were giving Thomas a huge cushion so he wouldn’t get behind them.
See about the 2:10 mark…it’s right when he’s catching the ball…that’s one good thing is that Nesbitt does have a cannon when it comes to making this throw. I’ve seen some other teams try the exact same play and it didn’t work quite as well b/c they didn’t get the ball to the WR quite as fast and it allowed the DB to be right up on him when he catches the ball…that extra .2 seconds makes a difference
Iowa's corners were jumping the LOS so that would have played into their hands.
Nesbitt throws hard, certainly. It’s also hard for me to remember when a major bowl team threw for 12 yards. I know, I know, we were lucky and all. But 12 yards? You need a QB.
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QB is fine
He had a single bad game and 13 good ones. Stanzi had more bad games this season than Nesbitt. We threw the ball 153 times this season before the bowl game. That’s only 11 times/game.
Look at the down and distance of the pass playcalls:
3rd and 7
1st and 10
3rd and 9 (penalty)
1st and 10
1st and 10
3rd and 18
1st and 10
2nd and 10
3rd and 9
4th and 9
Not much originality there. Almost all desperation heaves. I’m not worried about Nesbitt. If one team is held back by QB play next year, it’ll be Iowa not GT.
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@Bellanca—yeah, there have been games where we completed 1 pass and had over 400 yards of offense w/ 30+ points scored. Can Iowa say the same thing?
Have you ever had a team take BOTH
the run and pass away as we did? We played base, no games, no shenanigans (unless you want to call our D linemen optioning your option). Just fundamental base D.
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Wild Jacket
What do you think it would be like to incorporate a little wildcat into our playcalling? Just a hypothetical…I guess we would have to throw the ball a little more first in order for a running formation like that to work.
I still say that the first team to start throwing out of the wildcat will really start screwing with defenses…D won’t know for sure if it’s a run or a pass. Stick someone like Jaybo back there. Hell, have him AND Nesbitt in the backfield at the same time.
I don't know if Johnson
will ever implement the shotgun. He enjoys his formation balance too much.
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Why not try the Pistol?
Or the bastard son, the Triple Option Pistol Spread?
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Wildcat
The wildcat has become all the rage because of the success Arkansas had with it and now the Miami Dolphins. The key to it’s success – and why your suggestion won’t work – is that contrary to popular opinion, the wildcat isn’t one, two or a few plays, but an entire offensive subset (a playbook within the playbook if you will). Teams that understand this (Dolphins, old Arkansas, Ole Miss to a limited degree) run many different plays out of the wildcat formation, pass and run, dependent on the read. Teams that blindly try to install the wildcat that turns on two plays or so, don’t. And here is where, I believe, you are off in your thinking. As I read your post, you are in favor of running a few plays out of the wildcat, not committing a substantial portion of your offensive philosophy over to it. if that’s the case, it will fail as it will nothing other than a “gimmick” play that will be unsuccessful the second time it’s run as opposing Ds will know exactly what you plan to do.
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I’m not suggesting a gimmicky one or two play ‘thing’—but I’m just saying I’ve never seen someone pass out of the wildcat formation—and I’ve watched a LOT of football where it’s been used.
Yes—CPJ does enjoy formation balance, but even he abandons it when he employs 2 wr’s on the same side or 3 wr sets. If you had a wildcat formation where you might do 3 or 4 different things (think hand off, QB keeper, pass, quick slant, option)—it’s not all that much different from the underlying foundation of the triple option. A disciplined defense will beat it, but there are several different possibilities.
I think over time, the O will have to evolve and include different elements, especially more efficient passing (when and if the ball is passed—I’m not saying it’s a necessity…but you can’t continue to go 1-9 and win too many ball games…esp. if some of your ‘completions’ were to the other team—see the miami game). The unfortunate thing is that a lot of teams run a prostyle offense, and recruit for such, and that includes BIG tackles and really fast defensive ends…which when given an appropriate length of time, can develop a good game plan to stifle our offense (Miami, Iowa).
If our D was better…well, things would be a lot different too. That’s another subject though.
Uh ....
you already have a divergent, run-first offense out of which you can pass if you’d like. Don’t you?
You’d have the same problem with the single wing that you had the other night, and then you’d have new ones because it’s easier to gameplan. Your O-line isn’t physical or technically good enough, your linebackers aren’t very active, and the QB can’t throw. If you stick with what you have and recruit some better players, and introduce them to the weight room, you’re a lock for 9-10 wins a year. Iowa, incidentally, is not a lock for 9-10 wins a year, and never will be.
Tom Osborne said it well, and best: the triple option is the most difficult offense in football to prepare for. It’s only technical deficiency is that it’s not a good come-from-behind scheme. The Johnson offense with a QB like Tommie Frazier (even, Scott Frost); an offensive line that is more respectable, coupled with your existing backs and wideouts: that offense goes undefeated, assuming even mediocre defense.
I’ve read that GT doesn’t really run Johnson’s offense yet, because the QB doesn’t have the grasp that Ricky Dobbs did, and therefore isn’t able to do the things that Navy did. I would measure Johnson and evaluate the offense after he’s got his guys on the field.
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Yeah
I def. agree with that…and I’m def. not suggesting that he will or should abandon / change at all a system that has worked everywhere he has been. Florida, Texas, Alabama and others didn’t exist in DII though…and even when Navy played teams like them, they didn’t beat them very often (superior talent? You be the judge)…and yeah the academies won their bowl games, and navy nearly beat ohio state earlier this year, but just like great teams will develop a scheme to beat a team like us or any option / different offense team they play all year, maybe some times the option team needs to throw in a scheme too and have the opposing D really crap their britches with ‘WTF—where was the game film on this’
That being said, I am REALLY looking forward to the recruits that truly belong to CPJ that he has redshirted in preparation for the next couple of years. He said in an interview one time that he would redshirt every recruit if he could.
I don't think there's any reason to change the offense
The Iowa defensive line was just too big and strong for our offensive line to block. It’s not as if anything was wrong with the scheme; Iowa was just coming off the blocks too quickly.

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