Pre-Season Blogpoll Ballot for Review
As we proudly announced earlier, From The Rumble Seat will be participating in the 2009 Blogpoll. If you are unfamiliar with the blogpoll, click here. Basically the blogpoll is the AP Top 25, just with bloggers. There are two rounds of the blogpoll each week. We will submit our initial poll on Sunday/Monday (basically a rough draft) and then YOU the readers will tell us where we messed up and try to convince us to change our rankings. So here is our first rough draft preseason poll. We will submit our final draft a day or two before August 24th, the final due date. If you have any issues with our rankings, let us know in the comments.
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| 1 | Florida | |
| 2 | Texas | |
| 3 | Oklahoma | |
| 4 | Virginia Tech | |
| 5 | Southern Cal | |
| 6 | Penn State | |
| 7 | Alabama | |
| 8 | LSU | |
| 9 | Oklahoma State | |
| 10 | Mississippi | |
| 11 | Oregon | |
| 12 | TCU | |
| 13 | Ohio State | |
| 14 | Georgia Tech | |
| 15 | Boise State | |
| 16 | Florida State | |
| 17 | West Virginia | |
| 18 | Georgia | |
| 19 | Utah | |
| 20 | California | |
| 21 | North Carolina | |
| 22 | Brigham Young | |
| 23 | Clemson | |
| 24 | Cincinnati | |
| 25 | Miami (Florida) | |
Others Receiving Votes: Texas Tech, Pitt, Michigan State, Nebraska, NC State, Tennessee, Oregon State, Fresno State
First, let's clarify how we devise our Top 25 poll since there are 3 of us. The first criteria for determining rank is combined average amongst Dane's, Winfield's, and Bird's top 25 poll. Second, if there's a tie, we use the standard deviation amongst our rankings to further scrutinize the polls. A higher deviation amongst us means we agree less and the less-agreed-upon team is listed below teams of similar FTRS affinity. Thirdly, and only in terrible situations of statistical failure, we'll use DFJ's opinion to break SUPER ties (like the Big 12 system, only better).
Now, let's say Winfield includes Western Kentucky in his week 2 poll but Dane and Bird leave them out of the rankings completely. Well, we have come together and decided that one FTRS member's vote of confidence is enough for at least 30th on the other two polls so WKU will receive a rank of 30th in the other two polls (for calculation purposes). This will prevent "rogue voting" and keep our polls looking fairly mainstream.
Winfield: I made picks based maybe a little too strongly on how teams fared at the end of last year and my personal convictions. I attempted to counter those thoughts by thinking of each team's respective schedule. Georgia Tech has the schedule that can lift them to the top. So let's vote on the potential and see what happens.
Picks I'll probably regret are putting Penn State and Ohio State so high. Honestly, I don't trust the Big 10. Also, Ole Miss and Oklahoma State are on extremely thin ice. They must continue to impress me.
Dane: Let's face it, preseason ballots are stupid.
However, that doesn't make for good discussions. While it doesn't exactly give everyone an even playing field, I've put a lot of emphasis on how I think people will fare in their schedules, and am willing to give teams the chop as soon as they show weakness. For example, Oklahoma State is probably going to be decked harder than anyone else if they drop a game, but that is the price for being entrusted with Dane's confidence. West Virginia, I'm looking at you, too.
If you can run, I like you. Solid teams can run the ball, and if I expect a team to be able to move the ball, I like you. If I expect you to be able to stop the run, I like you as well. I laugh at Winfield for not including Cal, who I expect to be able to rush the ball pretty damn well this year.
Picks I know I'm going to regret: Oregon. Tennessee is a hunch, but will probably embarrass me. (As a matter of fact, I'm putting them up there because I think they will snag some SEC games, and the rest of the SEC is ranked so highly in the preseason, so by winning, their SOS will weaken and they will probably not move much... I'm vicious, I know).
I will regret thinking the Big East and the Big Ten suck, especially not giving the Bearcats props. I will regret not telling the entirety of the SEC save UF that they are a bunch of sissies, except for uga, who are just a bunch of jackass redneck douchebags with a decent schedule. I'll get my chance once the resumes start coming in, but for now, they are getting my props.
Bird: Now, concerning my picks I went with teams I felt would probably win their conferences and ascend the polls by season's end losing maybe 1 game. Hence, the relatively high picks for non-BCS teams like TCU, Boise State, Utah, and BYU.
I feel like GT's good but we just aren't good enough to win all of our games on the season. I see too many pitfalls (e.g. @FSU, UNC, @UVA) for GT to make a solid run at a high ranking. I think we can definitely make a great run at the ACC Title but not a Top 10 finish.
Picks I'll probably regret TTU, Ole Miss, and OKSU. I see these three teams with the highest potential of falling on their faces. And some Big East team will probably ascend pretty high this year as there's plenty of open air on the way to a Big East title this year.
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I really can’t argue with any of it except for…
VPI @ 4?!!? Really? You honestly think that VPI, without Darren Evans for the year mind you, is better than USC, Penn St., or Alabama, and possibly LSU, Oklahoma St, and Ole Miss? I know you guys want to base this off of schedules and potential, but I would argue that you should be looking at this from the view of who is better right now.
Sure, they have a stellar defense, but they have little to no offense. Taylor is a liability in the passing game and will now have to shoulder more carries until Williams can rove he can handle a full load. I’d say you put them somewhere near the bottom of the top ten to start with and let them prove their worth against Alabama in Week 1. If they win that game, they’ll catapult into the top five and stay in the top ten for most of the year providing they don’t go all Clemson on us and totally collapse.
Other than that, I would really love to argue that we are better than Ohio St. They lost a large part of their offense in Wells as well as a few of their top defensive players in Lauranitis and Jenkins. And, it’s Ohio St., so if you already think we are that close, I think you could put us one spot ahead of them and not really upset the universe.
But I wear Old Gold and White, so maybe I’m slightly biased?
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Ugh..prove* not rove
Stupid workplace requiring IE…
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VT and other thoughts
VT
VT is high because I really think they should win all of their games especially if they beat Alabama. Also, looking at the top 10, Tyrod may be a liability but there really aren’t any proven QB’s left coming into this season outside of UF, Texas, OU, and Ole Miss. Everyone is reloading or bringing back a “liability.”
VT’s coaching, depth, and defense are what I’m banking on.
My thoughts on Dane/Winfield
Dane’s worst pick – OKSU at 5. OKSU showed us last year they’re not on par with Texas/OU. I see OKSU as this year’s TTU and just having an explosive/exciting offense will get them super high rankings. Yet this offense will yield little on the field postseason accolades when they get trounced by the 3rd or 4th SEC/ACC team in a bowl game.
Winfield’s worst pick – Alabama at 4. Alabama is gonna lose a lot of games. They have no offense. You can’t win every game 7-3. No JP Dub equals No W’s.
Dane’s best pick – Oregon at #8. Best Duck team since Dennis Dixon. Should contend with USC for Pac 10 ‘cause of USC’s true frosh at QB.
Winfield’s best pick – Big East teams in the Top 25. Way to give love to a conference that no one has taken seriously since Pat White left and/or USF got embarrassed on national TV. I think the Big East may have some solid teams that bite people in the ass this year.
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Since we're on this pattern...
Bird submitted a solid ballot overall. But his worse pick was slotting Texas Tech in with no Graham Harrell and no Michael Crabtree. While Harrell’s absence may not be key, Crabtree’s should have an effect. Bird’s best/ballsy picks were giving respect to the little guys, TCU and Boise State.
by Winfield Featherston on Aug 19, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I take issue with you expecting VT to beat GT, not to mention every game on their schedule. I mean, c’mon, shouldn’t you expect GT to win every game on their schedule? Haha, I know, that would come off as being completely biased and possibly not in touch with reality, but I would also say that thinking VT is going to beat GT isn’t reality either.
It took two back-to-back bogus calls to extend the their game-winning drive against us last year. But even if you don’t feel like calling those out, it was extremely early in our first season with the new offense and a new defensive scheme, and their team is essentially the same. They couldn’t score all year long, so with no RB and no passing game, who exactly is going to score all those points that’s going to help them win every game? Sorry, but that’s a bad call if you think they are going undefeated. I think you might be getting sucked into the hype.
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‘OKSU showed us last year they’re not on par with Texas/OU.’
Good thing we get to play this season too. OKSU is boom or bust, but they can score points, and that’s how you win football games (insert Madden joke here). You’re right, Texas and Oklahoma are probably better teams… which is why I ranked them higher. However, I think it’s going to get pretty damn competitive in the Big 12 South.
I think VT and UNC are too high
VT – Tyrod Taylor has to prove to me that he’s a quarterback that can elevate a program into the top 5 before I’ll put them there. I still have them top 10 (at #7) on my poll.
UNC – Somehow, UNC has become a media darling despite numerous issues on offense: No returning WRs of note, only one capable QB (who’s been injury prone thusfar), no established running game to speak of and most glaringly, a thin offensive line that’s been further depleted by injuries, arrests, etc. They’ve got NO ONE to block for them, and as we saw with Clemson last year, everything on offense depends on the offensive line play.
I think y’all have GT ranked about right…I’ve got y’all 12th. I’m a big fan of PJ and I think he’ll mix up things enough to keep folks guessing.
TCU at 12 seems a little high, as well.
Don't think I don't know...
…that you fucksticks are trying to jinx us.
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by furrer4heisman on Aug 19, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
MWC picks
Bird if you think teams such as BYU Utah and TCU are going to bust a BCS bowl your insane. I’m hoping that they are just there because you believe only one of the three is going to bust the BCS, which is what I want to believe, but just in case…. They all three are in the MWC and therefore they will eliminate at least two of the three if not all three. TCU is the team that will win the conference but they are not a top 5 team. I see them as a number 7-9 team with a veteran quarterback returning for his third season taking the snaps.
Then we have the other extreme of the spectrum. Winfield TCU is easily a top 15 team regardless if you want to rank them based on last years performance or this years potential. Either way they are easily a top 15 team. That is my little MWC tirade that hopefully you will consider.
On a side note the Big East picks look good. There will be a team from the Big East who will prevail and in doing so put together an impressive record against not overly impressive competition.
Hope this sways your thinking a little bit.
Showboat.
on the mwc teams
the voting instructions for the poll basically say that the preseason poll isn’t supposed to be a prediction of what the final poll will be so much as its supposed to be a ranking of teams based on your personal perceived strength of them.
so while i dont think theres any way all three mwc teams will end up ranked in the final poll, right now based on perceived strength, they should be in the preseason poll. no ones earned anything yet, but none of those three have done anything to preclude them from the top 25.
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by furrer4heisman on Aug 19, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This
This is exactly why I think the method stated here is flawed. Above, it is explained that they picked teams based on if they thought they would win all the games on their schedule, or by potential to do that. Isn’t that essentially stating that the above poll is where you think all the teams will end up at the end of the season, instead of how strong you think they are right now?
Which leads to why I think, right now, VT should be below USC, Penn St. and Alabama, and possibly behind LSU, OKSU, And Ole Miss. No offense to Furrer or VT in general (because it’s not like I am saying they should be ranked below us, or at least not yet, haha), but I don’t see any explosive wins from last year that make me believe they are better than those teams listed, right now. If they beat Alabama, then no problem, throw them somewhere around 4 or 5 and you’ll be spot on, but I don’t think anyone can tell me that that game is a cakewalk for them and that they are going to go undefeated this year.
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i have vt at no. 10
winfield, dane, bird, etc. have us ranked high because they are trying to jinx us and they are ass holes. not because they think we’re good.
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by furrer4heisman on Aug 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, well, in that case
Ignore the above comments and please continue!
Little advice, make sure all your players are wearing kness braces for the remainder of camps!
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ranks
I ranked what I thought were the 25 best college football teams. I think it is totally fine to say that because I think GT will lose to certain teams that means GT should be ranked lower than them. It is a preseason based purely on speculation. I cannot base it on previous seasons because there’s so much turnover on college teams season-season.
I’m basing it on who I think are the best teams in cfb, which of course lines up with how the teams should finish at the end of the season. I think TCU would beat every team below them in my poll. I’ve seen enough MWC football to know that they play damn good ball out there. Utah has been kicking BCS team ass since 2004. TCU is just as good as Utah last year along with the Boise State/Fresno pain train. BYU and Utah probably aren’t as good as last year but they’ve got a majority of their teams returning and are still more legit than 90% of the BCS teams.
Not playing in a BCS conference doesn’t mean they aren’t that good. Hell, I can cite a certain Utah team destroying Alabama last year in their bowl game (the 2nd best SEC team). Y’all can judge all you want but when TCU kicks the crap out of Clemson and UVA, I’ll be smiling about my picks but frowning for the ACC.
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Wait, what?
This:
I cannot base it on previous seasons because there’s so much turnover on college teams season-season.
Followed by:
Utah has been kicking BCS team ass since 2004.
and
BYU and Utah probably aren’t as good as last year but they’ve got a majority of their teams returning…
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…a certain Utah team destroying Alabama last year in their bowl game…
So, can you or can you not rank teams based on previous seasons? I’m confused. If you think that the 2004 Utah team has anything to do with the 2009 Utah team, then maybe you are wrong. Not the same caoches, not the same players, nothing is carried over from five years ago. If you think that last years’ teams have nothing to do with this years teams, then in most cases you are wrong. Do you honestly believe that GT returning 19 of 22 starters, not to mention almost 95% of the entire team, plus being in the second year of CPJ’s offense and Wommack’s defense has nothign to do with how they will perform this year?
It’s this lack of overall consistency with your claimed methods that bring me to the overall ranking of VT @ 4. I honestly think that the rest of the teams are about right. I see no need to debate for a team to move up or down one spot, such as the Ohio St/GT example I provided earlier. But VT should be hanging around 10 as they are constituted right now.
Hey, you said to argue it and make suggestions, haha!
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just trying
The points were trying to legitimize putting non-BCS schools in the rankings as high as I have. Teams like Utah in the past, Boise State, etc. have competed at the BCS bowl level so my pick of putting TCU as high as they are, to me, is justifiable.
Are my picks based on last year or years previous? Are they directly related to last season? Not necessarily. I ranked based on what people have returning this season and how they’ll compete this season. Head to head. That doesn’t seem too illogical, to me.
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Mid-majors
TCU is way too high—they will not win both at Clemson and at UVa. One of two, maybe.
BYU is way too low. Max Hall is a really solid QB.
Not particularly verbose or thought out, but those’re my thoughts.
Max Hall
Having seen Max Hall play in person I’m going to have to say that he is not that great of a QB. Lacks arm strength to really pick apart any type of passing Defense. Hence the TCU game last year 32-7. He threw 2 picks with no TDS in this game. Max Hall is a great precision passer and makes good decisions, however, against any sort of pass D he is unable to throw when his reciever is covered. Also against the Utah team last year he threw for 205 yards on 21-41 passing with FIVE picks FIve. Five picks and no TDs.
Ok, here's some additional thoughts
I’ve attempted to make my case with dropping VT down to 9th or 10th. I’ve stated that I could see GT over Ohio St. I’ve been looking at this for a bit and I think it’s pretty solid all around. When you start looking at the bottom half, it really goes from is Team B better than Team C and worse than Team A, to are these three teams better than the next three and worse than the previous three. I mean, really, you could probably shuffle any three-set around and it wouldn’t cause much concern.
But, being the opinionated person I am, I think Clemson should be right outside of the top 25 replaced by Nebraska and I think California could either be swapped with Boise St or dropped below UNC and Boise St. Clemson lost Harper and is going with an unproven QB, their WR’s are mediocre, and they have questions in the secondary, plus they have proven (and done so with the players on this roster) that they are perrenially overrated. With California, it’s much more subjective. I just think that both UNC and Boise St. have stronger teams than Cal.
That’s it though. Those are my opinions of your intial crack at the poll.
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Seems to me
Like Clemson alternates – when they start the year ranked highly, they “unexpectedly” lose 4+ games, and when aren’t favorites, they end the year fairly strong…
So I say go ahead and put Clemson as high as you can for this poll.
Haha
If this is a complete jinx poll, then I agree. Feel free to put all other ACC schools 1-11 and GT off entirely.
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