Iowa-GT Connections or lack thereof
by BirdGT on Dec 8, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Simply put, there is zero history between GT and Iowa. GT has only played one team from Iowa ever and that was Iowa State in the Eddie McAshan-less Liberty Bowl. I'm pretty sure the last time we played an Iowa squad in one of the big three sports was 2003 when we beat the Hawkeyes on a last second shot by B.J. Elder. The shot took us to the quarterfinals of the Post-season NIT. Also, we beat the Lady Hawkeyes in the first round of the Women's version of March Madness last year.
Returning to football, GT has only faced 4 teams from the current Big 10 with an overall record of 6-6. GT's last "Big 10" meeting was a loss to Joe Pa in 1991's Kickoff Classic. The attendance of 77,409 was the best attendance for a Kickoff Classic in its 20 year lifespan.
Iowa has never faced a team from Georgia. Iowa is 0-7 against current ACC members all time and has been outscored 210-91 in those 7 debacles to NC State and Miami. Interestingly enough, Iowa's last ACC out of conference game was against NC State in the 1992 Kickoff Classic. Iowa and NC State brought roughly 30,000 less people than Penn State and GT, which accounted for the second worst attendance in Kickoff Classic History. The argument that GT/PSU came off of better seasons is debatable as NCSU and Iowa went into 1992 coming off of 9 and 10 win seasons, respectively.
This is Georgia Tech's sixth appearance in the Orange Bowl and first since the 1967 game against Steve Spurrier. This is Iowa's second Orange Bowl appearance. Their first was in 2003 against a Carson Palmer-led Southern Cal. Both teams are a combined 3-3 in Orange Bowls since 1940. GT has played in 37 bowl games all time with a 22-15 record all time. Iowa has been to 23 bowl games with a 12-10-1 record all time. This is Iowa's second consecutive bowl birth as opposed to GT playing in their thirteenth straight bowl game.
There were zero common opponents between the two schools in 2009. The only ACC-Big 10 matchup was a 47-7 blow out of Indiana by UVA. An interesting idea of how the teams' respective fan bases will evaluate the matchups are the games that were actually watchable. GT and Iowa kickoffs overlapped five times. Five other games were regionally telecast so neither fan base could watch the other team. This leaves about 10 games that any reasonable college football fan could've watched. The games GT fans were able to watch were Arizona, Penn State, Indiana, Northwestern, and Minnesota. Take away Penn State and Indiana's epic collapses and GT fans saw little to no offense from the Hawkeyes on television outside of highlight reels. The games Hawkeyes could've watched for GT were Clemson Parts I and II, Miami, Wake Forest, and Georgie. So the Hawkeyes saw three of our worst defensive efforts of the season and three fourth quarter comeback wins. Needless to say, both fan bases should have pretty negative opinions of eachother's program leading up to the game.
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While completely correct...
This little nugget is slightly misleading…
This is Iowa’s second consecutive bowl birth as opposed to GT playing in their thirteenth straight bowl game.
The Hawks have been to seven bowls in our last eight seasons, and nine bowls in the thirteen years that Tech has had thirteen consecutive bowl appearances.. The way that was worded makes it sound like we haven’t had a recent bowl history. Just a knee-jerk reaction.
Also, I don’t really have any negative opinions about the Jackets. You’re offense is a pleasure to watch, and succeeds at be an entertaining yet traditional scheme rather than a gimmick, ala Urban Meyer’s spread option or the A-11. While everyone outside of our own fanbase seems to think we’re frauds, you have to respect the fact that the Hawks play old-school, smash mouth football and respond incredibly well to adversity.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 8, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions
Selective use of facts
That quote is interesting, but not nearly as dubious in the facts it seeks to asser as this one
Iowa and NC State brought roughly 30,000 less people than Penn State and GT, which accounted for the second worst attendance in Kickoff Classic History.
Given that the Kickoff Classic was played in New Jersey, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Tech that was bringing the fans to that one. Something tells me it had more to do with the school from State College that they were playing that day.
Besides, when it comes to travelling fanbases, Iowa’s does, GT is the ACC version of jNWU. If the Orange Bowl is anything less than 60-40 Iowa fans, I will be shocked.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And that should be
“roughly 30,000 fewer people”
You have to go back to 2004 for GT last bowl win.
And that was against Syracuse and the start of the Big Orange spiral downward.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 8, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you haven't noticed already we kinda take over our bowl opponents' comment section
even on the internets hawk fans travel well.
As for Iowa, Ricky Stanzi is a double edged sword. He can really move the offense and is totally unshakable, which is a good thing since a couple times a game he’ll do something profoundly retarded.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
oh and our offensive coordinator might be an idiot savant
he will make some of the strangest calls possible from a traditional/conservative playbook, (during last year’s QB controversy he had a bizarre insistence on always rolling the left handed QB right, and the right handed QB left) but then will show flashes of brilliance.
Hilarious/Awesome series on him here
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2008/11/13/660190/the-odd-couple
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2008/12/20/698392/return-of-the-odd-couple
http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2009/2/13/758121/ken-o-keefe-looking-forwar
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
awesome
and more reasons to NOT get ready for my biggest final exam of the semester
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 8, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Iowa also had 4 straight January bowl apperances this decade
and 3 straight top 8 finishes. We’ve beaten teams like Florida and LSU since Ferentz got the program back on the right track, and since the Orange Bowl appearance in 2003, the most name-deficient team we’ve played has been South Carolina. We’ve been competitive in every single bowl game this decade…save the 2003 Orange Bowl which shan’t be discussed in polite society.
All of that said, I’ve always thought of GT as a solid football school, but primarily as a basketball school. That’s based on nothing more than my opinion, and I have nothing but respect for your team.
These are two teams whose coaches have diametrically opposed views on how to win football games; and both have proven they are very successful. I find in college football (especially CFB) that outside perception of what a conference is like is rarely entirely accurate. Big XI is sending 7 teams bowling this season, although Minnesota is definitely undeserving, and I for one, am cheering for nuclear holocaust as they play Iowa State.
Sorry for the rambling…bottom line is this: Our two teams respective histories and perception inside our conferences are probably not all that dissimilar.
Love the blog, and thanks for welcoming us in.
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See that's where you're slightly off. We're a football school.
GT is a football school because of the history of its football program. Yes, we’ve faltered in the past and basketball stepped it up when football couldn’t hold its own. However, when you look back to the days of John Heisman, William Alexander, and Bobby Dodd you cannot deny that GT is a football school. The history of our field, the oldest D-1A stadium in CFB history, etc.
You are right on about perception. Everything is about perception and it sucks when you have the short end of the stick.
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
I’m 31, and so while growing up, GT basketball was the stronger program. What I mean to say is, When I think of Georgia Tech, the first person I think of is Bobby Cremins. Conversely, the first person I think about when I think of…say…randomly, Washington State, is Drew Bledsoe. So, my perception is that WSU is more of a football school than a basketball school, even though WSU is arguably the worst D-1 program in the country right now.
Really looking forward to the Iowa defense/GT offense match up. Here’s hoping Iowa’s defense views it as “feeding time”, a la “Road Trip” and Tom Green:
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Preaching to the choir, brother.
Even when we were sitting at 9-0, we got outright spite from the national media because of the perception of the Big Ten and the number of stars our players had when they were recruited. After going 3-1 in what might have been the toughest road slate in the land (with the “1” being our OT loss to conference champs OSU in Columbus with a frosh QB in his first start) and finishing 10-2, many pundits are pissed we’re in a BCS bowl. Yeesh.
Here’s to hoping for a great game that shows what both programs are all about. …but that Iowa still wins, of course.
by Third Generation Hawk on Dec 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think of you as a basketball school
mainly because you never sell out a home football game (only one this year, see later comment) in a pretty small stadium—55,000 seats according to your website. Maybe that’s because your a small school, although not that small — 20K (Iowa is 30K in total enrollment). I notice you do, however, sellout the Georgia game but that probably just makes that a Georgia home game.
I wish Iowa had your basketball team though…ours is in a monumental funk and looks to be there for years to come.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
It's the curse of GT
and it’s not worth my time trying to explain the uniqueness of our fanbase
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
What I know about GT
You have the best fight song in the NCAA. Rum & whiskey drinking, gambling, calling out the hated rival by name, and gratuitous use of the word “hell” It doesn’t get better than that.
Brunettes not fighter jets
If you like that...
…then you’ll love this. Best 4th quarter intro ever!
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Hate to say it...
…but that’s not unique to GT. Wisconsin does this too. (The video is from iceball, but they use it for football too).
Nonetheless, anything collegiate with beer, whiskey and the like is an EPIC WIN. Well done, GT!
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
But they do it all wrong
And I bet they stole it from us.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Nothing in Wisconsin is done right anyway.
Except for beating Duke, as it would seem.
"Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. If you shoot him, you'll just make him mad." - The Waco Kid
And I agree
We are pretty awesome. Just get rid of that black, replace it with white, and move on down. It doesn’t snow here except for like once every two decades or so.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
I don't have time to go into ALL the details.
Therefore wikipedia will have to do. Mostly written by Bird. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramblin%27_Wreck
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 8, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I see from the interwebs that
y’all play at Bobby Dodd Stadium at Historic Grant Field which is nice but not nearly as august as playing at Legendary Historic Kinnick Stadium. In the war of unnecessary adjective usage, we’re winning.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
yep
Kinnick’s Historic-ness is legendary
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since we are talking about Iowa, I think you mean this:
Although I think Ertl is now making their tractors in Mexico, not Dyersville.
Nice
But tell me again, where in Georgia is the Ford plant located?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Haha
Everytime I drive by that I just think it was the scene of some epic Autobot and Decepticon battle. Really though, it’s a little sad because that place is such a strong part of my childhood growing up on the southside of Atlanta.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
That's so sad
When I was a young man at Tech I’d sometimes take the Greyhound bus home. The first stop after leaving the Cane Street International Boulevard Andrew Young station was Hapeville, with the Dwarf House on the left at the Ford plant on the right.
Crap. I forgot to edit that. I meant to write
“after leaving the Cane Street International Boulevard Andrew Young station”
There's not really much you can do in a Model A
something your brethren here seem to point out. At least our legendary machinery can do something useful.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 9, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ha
I’m sure you just drive a Model A around Atlanta all day picking up chicks.
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Dec 9, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
the Reck does carry a mystique about itself
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
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