Hunting Hawkeyes with the Natives: Part II
by BirdGT on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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PrintToday's edition of Hunting Hawkeyes with the Natives is from Iowa State blogger, Mark of Clone Chronicles. Iowa State is kinda like GT in the state of Iowa, the smaller fan base of the two major universities. Mark explains the ratio of ISU:Iowa fans for us:
It's probably 75% Hawkeye, 15% Cyclones, 5% Huskers, 5% everybody else... Out of people that were to choose one or the other, it's probably 80% Hawkeye, 20% Cyclone. Main reason why: lack of education. Iowa does a good job attracting recent graduates of the GED class of (insert year here). They have more fans, but their collective IQ is lower.
He later explains...
On a more serious note, it's mostly due to Iowa having success during most of the 1980s and 1990s. I believe they were the first team to have a radio deal in the state, and were on TV often as they had big games.
Most people don't pick ISU, unless they went to ISU (but even then many ISU students are Hawk fans), or unless they like to root for the underdog. With Iowa, it's a lot of casual fans and bandwagon jumpers.
I asked Mark what differentiated Hawkeye fans from Cyclone fans and it reminded me of a certain unwashed horde from Athens:
Loyalty. If you are an ISU fan after enduring years of being mediocre at best, there isn't much that's going to disappoint you or push you away from the program.
For Iowa, they just roll with whatever. Kirk Ferentz is the genius of all geniuses, but when they just missed on a bowl game a few years ago, he needed to be gone. One year, they're backup QB is the next Heisman Candidate. The next year, when he becomes the starter, they boo him off the field. If the team starts losing, the fans go back to rooting for Notre Dame or USC, or whatever. When they start winning, they get decked out in Black and Gold, and head to the Orange Bowl. I guess it's easy for most Hawk fans, as all they have to do is tow their home down to Miami. Saves on the hotel costs, if you can bring your double-wide to South Beach!
Honestly, you can find many "big time" Iowa fans who can't really name the players, or know much of really anything about the team. Moreso than Cyclone fans... But that's what happens when you're able to capitalize on those skipping on child support but going to Hawkeye games.
When I asked him to tell us an interesting confrontation or story pertaining to the rivalry, Mark said the Cyclones and Hawkeyes have a heated rivalry on the field but cool off-the-field:
...the rivalry is pretty tame. I think more nastiness comes from students, but it's not much more than talk. At the games, ISU fans will boo the Hawks, but at the end of the day, the drama is limited... After the teams play each other, both fan bases move on. There's always the d-bag or two that try to start some drama, but a majority are not like that.
My favorite type of questions to ask in blogger Q/A's usually relate to food or putting players in unusual situations (e.g. Chris Rix throwing grenades out of a foxhole or Charlie Whitehurst bull fighting in Spain). So, I asked Clone Chronicles to define the Iowa Hawkeyes as an ice cream flavor:
Rocky Road. When Kirk Ferentz and his coaching staff aren't busy covering up off the field scandals, they are winning football games for the most part... If Iowa would have been a .500 team over the past few years, these issues would have had more pub and Ferentz may have been out the door... Instead, they put together a couple of good years, including missing the Rose Bowl by 1 game, they've bought themselves a few more years. Behind the scenes, things are very Rocky, but all of it gets smoothed over when the team is winning.
And finally, what does the Cyclone fan base think about the Orange Bowl? Do they have a rooting interest?
As far as the bowl game, I'm interested in it. At times, both teams have looked great, and other times they have put up some headscratching performances. Personally I think it's a perfect matchup for Iowa, and it will be a close game.
As far as ISU fans, most will be indifferent. I think many hardcore fans enjoy seeing the Hawkeyes in misery, but that's a small group... You will likely have a certain number of ISU fans actually rooting for Iowa. I know many ISU fans that root for Iowa when they play other teams, because "The Hawkeyes are representing the state of Iowa"...
Thanks to Mark of Clone Chronicles. The journey through the Iowa fan base was compelling to say the least. Good luck to the Cyclones and other non-Hawkeye teams this year. We'll try to please that small group of "hardcore" Cyclones that root for Iowa's misery come January 5th.
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Classic overstatement
Rocky Road. When Kirk Ferentz and his coaching staff aren’t busy covering up off the field scandals, they are winning football games for the most part… If Iowa would have been a .500 team over the past few years, these issues would have had more pub and Ferentz may have been out the door… Instead, they put together a couple of good years, including missing the Rose Bowl by 1 game, they’ve bought themselves a few more years. Behind the scenes, things are very Rocky, but all of it gets smoothed over when the team is winning.
Iowa had a string of bad players on the team who did some remarkably dumb and even reprehensible things. Within the bounds of due process they got rid of them all. For the law and order types, it wasn’t fast enough. For the conspiracy theorists it wasn’t transparent enough. For the most part it was handled as well as these things can be handled. No the program is not rocky behind the scenes, in fact it has never been more together. I think it is fair to say that Iowa has changed its recruiting strategy and lowered their tolerance level for misbehavior. It is a liberal college, in a liberal town, in a closeted liberal state. What can you say…they believe in giving people rope.
Otherwise, I agree with him.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
No no, you've got it all wrong.
Read that again:
Behind the scenes, things are very Rocky
That’s not an errant typo that a 3rd grader ought to be able to catch and fix; he’s actually merely saying that Iowa trains its players like Rocky. Specifically, Rocky IV, where the players are flown out to some remote Siberian wooded area to chop lumber and pull sleds.
Moreover, as history buffs will be quick to note, that makes Georgia Tech Ivan Drago. First of all, that means Iowa wins; second, I’m not sure why this GT blog would be so willing to have a guest commenter accuse them of communism and rampant steroid use. Seems like slander to me.
Anyway, never question Clone Chronicles’ level of genious.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
by Adam Jacobi on Dec 22, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
The best is the raw eggs we eat every morning.
I personally like a carton or two, before the morning jog.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Then who's Mickey?
Barta?
“Kirk, Kirk. Listen to me kid. When I’m done with you, you’re gonna eat lightnin’; you’re gonna crap thunder.”
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Yes, Iowa handeled everything brilliantly.
Signed,
http://keithmurphyslaw.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-in-world-is-going-on-at-u-of-i.html
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
ISU fans...
…they all used to be compulsive liars, but they say they aren’t anymore.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
In terms of the football team, I understand why they are handling things the way the do.
What bothers me is that a large amount of Iowa fans are willing to sacrifice some morals just for the football team to win.
For me, I’m an Iowa State fan, but I was am an Iowa State Graduate first, who may have kids one day go to school there. If the day comes were Iowa State is engaging in similar things, I’m done with them, end of story. I love college sports, but when University Officials are putting the safety of the “normal” students who actually pay tuition below the priorities of the Football/Basketball team getting paid, winning games, etc., then I’m done.
If I am going to root for a bunch of guys who dont’ care about the community they are in, then why watch college sports, when you have the pro sports doing the same?
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I realize I’m just a Hawkeye fan and not a principled Clone but I have to argue the scrutiny college athletes on scholarship even have to operate under doesn’t translate well to the student body. I know from my time there that public intoxication was the norm for Iowa students and my experience with Ames is not particularly different. The difference, surely, is that tuition paying or even scholarship earning non-athletes get the benefit of privacy to handle their problems.
I don't care about public intox
I’m talking about housing scandals and sexual assults, etc….
All I was trying to get at is that if the team wasn’t doing well, those issues would be at the forefront. Since the team is winning, everyone involved in the program is a Saint.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
This from a fan whose team lets twice concicted stick-up artists play DE
Seriously. Iowa recruited two kids from Detroit who couldn’t leave the thug life behind, and another who was a general scumbag. They were all summarily dismissed when it was discovered. The rest is typical college kid stuff like public intox and DUI on a moped.
It’s nothing like the crap 25% of Florida kids are getting caught doing. ISU fans should be the LAST fanbase throwing rocks regarding the criminal activities of athletes.
Also – Hawkeye fans are the least bandwaggon fans in the six surrounding states. I have no idea which ass you are pulling this stuff out of.
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 23, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I love it when our fanbase is called stupid by someone who can't spell "geniuses"
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
+1
I didn’t proofread before sending…..
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
You mean to tell me
the cyclowns actually hava a blog?
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." HST
Growing up an Iowa State fan and going to Georgia Tech,
I can’t wait to see the worlds collide on Jan. 5. And yes, uga and Iowa fans are quite similar. Go Jackets!
This kills me.
On a more serious note, it’s mostly due to Iowa having success during most of the 1980s and 1990s. I believe they were the first team to have a radio deal in the state, and were on TV often as they had big games.
Most people don’t pick ISU, unless they went to ISU (but even then many ISU students are Hawk fans), or unless they like to root for the underdog. With Iowa, it’s a lot of casual fans and bandwagon jumpers.
Casual fans and bandwagon jumpers? Out of every Iowa Hawkeye fan I have had the pleasure of meeting in my life, none of them have been just a casual fan or bandwagon jumper, but I only know a couple dozen true ISU fans. The rest come out of the closet when they are winning and go back in after the teams are back in the toilet.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
You need to travel around the state more
I can find you entire communities of “hardcore” Iowa fans, who have never gone to the school, and can’t name more than 1 or 2 starting players…
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...
That sounds like Ames to me.
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 22, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter where they live
If they identify as a “Hawk fan” who cares where they are?
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you missed my insult, sir.
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 23, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
From Minneapolis
Live in Ames and work in Des Moines… In laws are Des Moines natives… Work with lots of people from different parts of the state..
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
So, let me get this straight...
Because I live in Florida, Have been to three Hawk games in the 2000’s, and didn’t go to the school, I’m not a “real” fan, “hardcore” fan, ect? Every single one of my aunts and uncles graduated from Iowa. My mother graduated from Iowa. Four of my cousins currently attend Iowa. Please, give me a break. Regardless if I’ve never attended the school, that team is MY team, regardless.
You don’t understand what I’m trying to say… If A then B, does not mean if B then A.
I will say that if Iowa was going 3-9 every year, Iowa might be your team, but for most they would not be.
You don’t have to go to the school in order to be a fan, but if someone has no attachment to the team, they can pick anyone. I know guys that are big Duke basketball fans, but have never been to North Carolina. Does that mean they can’t be fans? No. But the reason they are has a lot to do with how the team is doing.
Because who would just sit down and decide to root for a team that stinks, if they can choose one that does not?
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
What you are describing is eerily similar to
eugenics…I’ve seen movies about you I think.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
As a counter-argument, I present the Chicago Cubs fan base.
/bangs self in face with hammer at the idea of Carlos Silva pitching for two years in Chicago.
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 23, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
eh, the Cubs. All I will say is that it has become “cool” to be the “loveable losers”, and it’s kind of trendy to root for them. They are one of the few baseball teams that can sell atmosphere. When you’re going to a Cubs game, you know you’re going to have an awesome time, and it doesn’t matter what happens on the field for a lot of people.
No one is going to have any beef with a team that hasn’t really taken anything away from anyone, and has some of the friendliest fans. They get sympathy from sports fans, and the Cubs are a lot of people’s 2nd team…. Also, having WGN broadcast all over America is going to get you fans. There was a time where I could watch more Cubs games than Twins games growing up in Minneapolis as a kid.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest...
I have never been to the university, and only been to a handful of games over the past 5 years. None of my family has been to the university and other then my son, none probably will. However… I grew up cheering for Iowa. I was raised as an Iowa fan, and thats my roots. If you think “I will say that if Iowa was going 3-9 every year, Iowa might be your team, but for most they would not be.” that statement is true your a moron. Its called Pride. apparently you being a cyclone fan have none.
Ill be a Hawkeye fan till the day i die.
To be honest
Come back and let us know when you can form a coherent sentence.
As far as me not having Pride, yeah you’re right, I have none. Tailgating for hours and hitting up a game to watch a 2-10 team get blown out by Missouri a couple years ago, means I have no pride.
I guess going to every basketball home game I possibly can for the last 7 years means I have no pride.
I suppose writing a blog in my spare time about Iowa State, means that I just fucking hate the team, doesn’t it?
Don’t judge people you don’t know. You my friend, have no idea what lengths I along with most Cyclone fans go through to support a typically losing football team, and a basketball program that has lost it’s footing.
You can never know what it’s like to have a connection to your team that’s deeper than just rooting for them. Your son does, but you don’t.
The fact you’re old enough to be my dad and straight spitting this garbage to someone almost half your age is sad. I’m glad I don’t know you.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 24, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a coherent sentence
Go fuck yourself.
"Hayden Fox for Universal Jocks!"
by CraigTNelson on Dec 27, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they're called ISU bandwagon jumpers...
…and they are hiding the fact that they went/go to ISU.
Seriously, GTech fans, right now I’m wondering what you were thinking soliciting the opinions of ISU fans. Ludicrous. It’s an interesting concept (ask the opponents’ rivals), but in this case you should have asked a Wisky fan what’s up.
By the way, GT and ISU are NOTHING alike. First, GT actually has some national respect (at least in basketball and baseball, and I’ve never heard anyone scoff at your football team, even when you weren’t great). Don’t drink the UGA and Esss Eeee Seee kool-aid, because you are a respected institution in both education and in sports. ISU don’t even respect themselves. They live to beat Iowa, and that’s about it.
Second, Iowa/ISU is not like UGA/GT, mainly because Iowa is an underdog too- – we’re just higher up the dog pile than ISU, whereas UGA would tell you they are “top dawgs” about one out of every two years. I understand the comparison that was being made as far as in-state perception, but it is NOT the same thing.
Oh, and…
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by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Bandwagon?
Name me one other school that could go through two decades of non-winning seasons and still average an attendance of 50,000 every year.
I’ll hang up and wait…
How’s that basketball attendance going?
Also Iowa fans are mostly bandwagon jumpers, of course. 99% of them didn’t even go to Iowa, so they are just plucking the school. Also, you wouldn’t believe the number of Iowa fans that came out of the wood work when it looked like a Rose Bowl year.
With ISU fans, it’s more of being a closet vs. open fan. When things are bad, many of those ISU fans switch to Iowa and pretend not to be an ISU fan. Then, when things get better, they go back to ISU… Every fanbase has bandwagon jumpers, kool-aid drinkers, etc.
I just think the reason why Iowa is vastly more popular is because they have a larger share of the bandwagon jumpers, and more of a tradition in recent history (last 20 years or so).
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not as good as our wrestling or football
right?
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
So using your own definition
ISU fans are bandwagoners.
Just to be clear, unless you went to ISU or Iowa you shouldn’t be allowed to be a fan. Does that sum up your argument?
It does?
Well then, allow me to retort.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I went to Buena Vista in Storm Lake, but I grew up in Grinnell. Half-Hawkeye, Half-Cyclone. Not a single bandwagon fan. Maybe you view Iowa fans as “bandwagon” because you hate the Hawkeyes…that’s fine. But saying the entire fanbase is a bunch of bandwagoners might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard the Iowa fan base described as.
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 22, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
The question I answered was what the split of Hawk Fans vs. Cyclone fans are in the state and why…. Both fan bases of bandwagon jumpers, kool-aid drinkers, whatever you want to call them.
My point was that Iowa’s fanbase is much larger partly due to the fact that the team has been better, therefore there are more bandwagon jumpers. Because if you aren’t attached to the team due to being an alum, or something like that, why would you choose the worse of the two?
Whatever team can win the bandwagon jumpers is going to be the most popular team in the state… Believe it or not, most of the people that go to the games aren’t fans of sport. It’s a social experience; there’s tailgating…. If there was no tailgating at Iowa, and they strung a few years of being .500 or below, you wouldn’t be selling the place out.
Do you know anything about conditional logic? If Iowa fans having a lot of bandwagon jumpers does NOT mean all Iowa fans are bandwagon jumpers, or that if you are a bandwagon jumper you are an Iowa fan.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I really think you're making shit up as you go along.
The way your post read was that a significant portion of the Iowa fan base are bandwagon jumpers. Frankly…it’s just not true. Because Iowa has a history of success, it develops much more strident fans.
Sure, there’s a bunch of people that call themselves “fans” when Iowa has a season like this, but I’d say at least 90% of Iowa fans do not qualify as bandwagon.
As for the social aspect…um…yeah. Of course people go tailgating for the social aspect. It’s a part of the fan experience. As for the “string several years of .500 football together and you wouldn’t be selling the place out” who knows. Maybe that’s true. But you see, chances are we won’t ever find out because in my 31 years of life on this planet, and the 20 I’ve been a true sports fan and followed teams closely, the worst stretch of Iowa Football I can remember is 98-01. Were we selling out those games? Probably not. But it wasn’t a half-empty stadium like in Ames even in the best of times.
Bottom line is this: trying to paint the Iowa fan base as a bunch of bandwagon jumpers, which is what you are attempting to do, is absolutely ridiculous.
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 23, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Oh really?
Actually I have the hardhitting documentary on DVD. I pulled the top researchers in the nation to come up with the stats I put together above.
Oh wait. It’s a slow time, and I decided to clown around. You’re just taking everything too seriously.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you are clowning around
I suggest you make it clear you are doing so. You don’t come off as “clowning around.”
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by MissouriHawk on Dec 23, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair, the poster e-mailed me some questions in which I responded. I was under the premise that this was a roasting of some sort.
Everything I typed has a small sliver of truth behind it, but for the most part it’s exaggerated and in jest. I didn’t think people that take it so personal, considering some of you do the same on other sites, via comments, etc.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
You should have asked the Tech fans...
…to lend you their “sarcasm” icon.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Clowning around eh?
“oh hay guyz, I was just funnin’ you! all those bullshit counterarguments I made were just havin’ fun, mkay?”
The curtain call of anyone who’s been totally pwn3d on the internets. Congratulations on getting pushed into a corner and having to run away with your tail tucked behind your legs on this one. You represent on the message board like your team represents on the field.
So you're stating the obvious...
…you should have just said that winning creates a buzz with folks that wouldn’t normally seek the team out. For example, my Grandmother called after we won the Michigan State game. Let’s just say she’s old enough to have dated Nile Kinnick, but doesn’t normally follow football period. So, yes, winning makes bandwagon jumpers like my Grandmother come out of the woodwork. In fact, I know a lot of women who normally cringe at the thought of football who were very excited by Iowa when we were 9-0 (and continue to be to this day).
I’m sorry ISU sports don’t get women excited.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Instead of just stating the obvious, I make some stuff up, exaggerate, and (hopefully) some people can laugh about it.
Instead, you have a bunch of internet tough guys talking shit they would never back up if we were having a discussion in the room.
Honestly, the one thing this has taught me is that Iowa fans cannot take a joke. Maybe Iowa fans should think about that, the next time they are slinging mud, because the Lord knows the fanbases at Iowa State and in the Big 10 have experienced that.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Um, NO
The only time you can find an ISU fan is when y’all beat Iowa. All of a sudden, it’s the national title/World Series/Super Bowl rolled into one in Ames. Otherwise, you’re all as quiet as a doormouse.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
If the question had been reversed (asking an Iowa fan about Iowa State) the answer you would have gotten is: “a true Iowa State fan hates the Univ of Iowa, a true Iowa fan is indifferent to ISU”. Don’t know if that describes the UGA – GTech thing, but this is what’s most upsetting to ISU.
I wouldn't go that far about UGA fans
UGA plays five rivalry games (South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, and Tech in chronological order), and that’s a lot of teams to hate. Conversely, Tech plays a maximum of two true rivalry games, and most years it’s only one, because we only play Auburn twice a decade (and no, Clemson isn’t a rival, there isn’t anywhere near enough animosity between the two schools).
While beating Tech doesn’t bring great acclaim to a UGA coach, losing to us will get you run out of town in a hurry. Hence, Jim Donnan got the axe after losing three in a row to us, while Ray Goff hung around forever in spite of being completely owned by Steve Spurrier.
by Joe Hamilton's Chauffeur on Dec 23, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
You know what I haven't had in a while?
Big league chew, do you remember that stuff. It was pretty wild.
Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on Dec 22, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions
You know you're in the big leagues
When you’re into the Big League Chew.
On a serious note, I can’t believe that Georgia Tech fans would willing take being compared to ISU fans and, even more inexplicably, would consider it a compliment.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yeah, I'm actually kind of insulted by it as a GT fan.
Guys, Iowa State sucks.
by gosouthgohard on Dec 22, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Iowa State is the Georgia State
of Iowa. And Georgia Tech is the FedEx Institute of Technology of Georgia.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
That makes zero sense
Please, just go away and stop embarrassing yourself.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Buzzzzzz
Wrong. You have rpoven would not be admitted to the FedEx Tech.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Says the guy that just typed 'rpoven'
Sounds like you might have a LD. But please, continue to humor me.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Jesse...we've made our decision and it's final
we’re not admitting you. Thanks, however, for your interest in FedEx Tech though.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
I thought ISU...
… was the South Harmon Institute of Technology of… well, everywhere.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't consider it a compliment
But I also don’t think that was the intent of the comment. It was more about the attitude of the rivalry between the two in-state schools from their respective fans. If the comparison is ‘small school, small fanbase’, then it fits and I’m fine with that because it’s also true. It’s easier to mass an army of the incompetent than it is of the wise.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Iowa State isn't really a "small" school
At least not by the standards of Iowa schools/colleges. Yes, it is smaller than the UofI but just barely, 27K students (20K undergrad vs. 7K postgrad) compared to Iowa’s 30K (20K/10K). In addition, it is a public school (which I don’t believe GT is). Despite being nearly equal in size, ISU is definitely the “little brother” of the state, an attitude/shoulder chip that many Clones adopt much more stridently than Iowa fans would ever pin on them. Both schools have almost equal “natural” fanbases (defined by attendance at the school). The disparity in fanbases is a result of about 80% of non-attendees of either school being Iowa fans because ISU has NEVER been good at football. Like, EVER. Iowa’s had its ups and downs, and some fans probably drifted away during the lean years or are more vocal now that we’re on an upswing, but the fact remains that ISU never had those fans in the first place, there has literally never been an ISU bandwagon on which to jump.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Exactly
Since ISU has NEVER been good, it’s going to be a smaller base, consistent of more real fans, because they’re sticking with a team that hasn’t been good.
Therefore, all of the undecideds that just want to get hyped for football and pick a team to root for, go with Iowa…. You just confirmed what I had already said
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
re:Exactly
If you are such a “real” SuckClown fan, why can’t you find something that pertains to them to worry about instead of showing up here to display your green envy of Big Brother? Probably has something to do with the fact that you have about as much of a chance of finding a SuckClown fan with a brain as you do finding a cyclone in Iowa.
Ladies (???) and Gentlemen of FTRS
I present to you our “finest” fan, PantherHawk. I can assure you, none of his other posts will live up to the erudite and piercing wit he displays above.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
OMG! A PANTERHAWK SIGHTING!
Do not look directly at it, as you might frighten it and provoke a Panterhawk attack.
Panterhawk is rarely seen (like Sasquatch) on respectable blogs due to the merciful invention of the banhammer combined with the asinine crap that occupies his posts.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well then
I guess the ‘small school, small fan base’ comparison no longer fits. That being said, I still understand his point based on the attitude of the in-state rivalry because in our case, there really is a large gap in the number of attendees between the two schools. We are truly a small school, with a small alumni base, and a small non-attendee fan base.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
Heads up to BirdGT
If you wanted to get the best “read” of Iowa from a similiarly-situated school, I suggest you contact the fine folks at Lake the Posts. The Iowa hatred burns bright there, and amongst all jNWU fans for some reason (their elevens of fans make up in intensity what they lack in numbers). Plus, you would have the viewpoint of a school very similar to Tech: smaller, prestigious private school in a conference of large, public universities.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Congratulations, FTRS
You brought in a mouth-breathing troglodyte of a blogger to spit blanket, baseless opinions for the sole purpose of riling people up and pageviews. Here, facts are casually tossed aside for ignorant ravings and substance-free, casual insults.
I just wish you’d have told us beforehand that Bleacher Report had bought you out and put you on their editorial standards.
I’m done with this shit.
I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks
Not only that, but said baselss, blanket opinions are the most tired, played-out, lame, cliched type of Clown rhetoric one could possibly cough up.
Pretty lame, Milhouse.
You guys trash-talk like old people fuck.
BEWARE THE PEPPER TRAP!
by Bucketochicken on Dec 22, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
All I can say is that a majority of my comments were in jest
I was just trying to have some fun, not trying to be serious or tick off a base. All year, I’ve given Iowa their props on CC, and next year is looking even better.
I apologize that this ticked you off. I clearly do not know how to have fun….
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Nice with the personal attacks
If you want to go that route, then go ahead…. Last I checked, you guys rip other SB Nation sites on a regular basis, but when you do it, it’s cool. When others do it, you can’t take it.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
You just have to know how to do it..
…and you clearly don’t.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
Sound like the way the ’clowns play football. ZING.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 23, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Why...
Are we arguing with the ISU guy on the Georgia Tech site? This is the most press his site has gotten in years.
re:Why...
Because anything that pertains to ISUcks, receives even less press. Therefore; as in every other endeavor, ISUcks must piggyback off of Big Brother’s fame in a weak attempt to matter in some very small way!
Please,
pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 23, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
May I just say...
I love the fact that Iowa/Iowa St. hatred has spilled its way onto a GT blog. Outstanding.
While we’re on the subject:
If you can’t get into UI go to State!
If you can’t get into UI go to State!
You could never be a Hawkeye,
So there is no need to apply.
If you can’t get into UI go to State!
LOL
Is that real? because I’m pretty sure the admission rates at both schools are ridiculously high. Also if you look at the state budget, I’m guessing both schools with take almost anybody, to avoid budget cuts down the road.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
No.
It’s just being dickish. But it rhymes…so there’s that.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Dec 23, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
re:with take almost anybody
“with take?” About says it all about the quality of education one will receive at HawgsIsUs Community College in Lames, IA……SALLLLLL—UTE….
Thanks for showing up
Because everything you are doing is proving my point…. Stereotypical Hawk fan: throwing mud that makes no sense, and is overly sensitive about criticism of the Hawks…
You guys can talk some shit, but you can’t take it at all.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Mark
We don’t claim PantherHawk in any aspect. I know everyone else will back my feelings on this.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Dec 23, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pantherhawk is NOT a typical Hawk fan at all...
…I mean, have you seen his light-saber moves?!
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
you have a fact wrong
no way is 20% of the state dumb enough to root for the red crows.
+1 on Oops Pow Surprise’s response.
Mark Kieffer
Mark Kieffer, are you really that stupid? I lived in LAmes for three years and married an ISU grad. Even she laughed at at the crap you posted here. Do you really believe all that stuff? Were you born with a mental defect or did you get hit on the head at some point?
by Mark Kieffer has penis envy on Dec 23, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions
You should talk to your wife more
She got that it was supposed to be funny. You clearly didn’t.
Creating a username like that is going to get you banned, most likely. If you are going to call people out, at least be an adult about it.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
MKhpe
Mark, he was clearly just being funny. If you can’t take a joke you should go back to your blog.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 23, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
*ahem*
If you are going to call people out, at least be an adult about it.
I call your attention to the OP at the top of the page
When writing what I did, did I ever call out any Hawk fan usernames, or anything like that?
There’s a difference between poking fun at a fanbase, and creating a username for the sole purpose of trying to bring someone down.
On the internet, obviously some lines can be blurred, plus anybody these days has access to it.
All I’m saying is that I wrote what I did, and I slap my name to it; something that most on here don’t do.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
My point is
Maybe if you wrote like an adult, you’d be treated like one. What did you think the response was going to be when you wrote that “just for fun” garbage at the top of the page?
Either you’re an idiot who doesn’t realize he don’t have much right complain after stirring the turd, or just a troll sanctioned by this here Georgia Tech board.
Bird is doing this on purpose
I mean, seriously, how can this not be entertaining for the Yellow Jacket fans?
My niece is investigating schools.
Is GT’s beautician program good?
Wrong questions
Ask the ISU fan when the last time ISU’s offense scored a touchdown on Iowa.
The University of Iowa has a Law School, Medical School and Dental School.
Ask the ISU fan if ISU offers a major that does not require the students to stick their arm up a cows ass. There may be one but he will have to think about it.
Good point
Because all of those above questions are pertinent to Iowa’s upcoming football game.
While the University of Iowa is a fine institution, has good graduate schools, etc., but the academic types aren’t the core group of fans.
by Mark Kieffer on Dec 23, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Can't this wait until next Sept??
When the Cyclowns are scheduled for their annual flogging.
I mean, really, FTRS has got to be scratching their heads.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Dec 24, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions
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