The NFL Draft says, "ACC > Big 10!"
by BirdGT on Dec 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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5. Georgia Tech has had 6 defensive draft picks since 2006. That's more than Illinois, Indiana, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Wisconsin.
4. Duke hasn't had a player taken in the NFL Draft since 2005.
3. The Big 10's highest Draft Pick since 2006 was A.J. Hawk, the fifth overall pick. He was four picks after Mario Williams.
2. All four Drafts saw more ACC defensive players taken than Big 10 players.
1. The ACC has had 81 defensive players drafted since the 2006 NFL Draft, which is 6.75 players drafted per team. The Big 10 has only had 62, which is 5.63.
Really when you factor Ohio State and Penn State out of the Big 10, there's not much talent going to the NFL. It's the definition of a blue collar conference. Good defensive coaching is what keeps them afloat in major out of conference match ups. I kinda believe they play the isolationism game and simply avoid major OOC games until bowl season. The ACC and Big 10 have met only 9 times since full expansion. The ACC holds a 6-3 edge over the Big 10 in that time span.
What do you think about the Big 10 talent level? Do you think the Big 10 hides behind their conference schedule? Let me know your thoughts.
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stats and numbers?? i would never have guessed that! lol
but yes i believe they hide behind the “prestige” of the big ten. And when i say “prestige”, i mean they hide behind the OLD Big ten. when the Big Ten used to be good, like 10-20 plus years ago
by The_GT_LineageX11 on Dec 12, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Unlike GT
who doesn’t refer to its history to validate its football cred*.
- last time GT in major bowl? Eisenhower admin. Never ever in BCS bowl until this year.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Big10 is obviously down
High draft choices per conference doesn’t really do justice to your post – esp with this 2005 cutoff. Go ahead and count the draft choices before then – the teams are in your conference anyways. I think you should scan the "depth charts’ of NFL teams via nfl.com or espn – you will clearly take note that many Big10 players are solid starters in the NFL. Moreover, Michigan has far more NFL talent in the league – both sides of the ball – than Penn State.
To your defense, I think the ACC falls under the much hyped SEC shadow, which is unfortunate, because the ACC has been feeding the NFL for decades with great players. In time, the ACC’s football oriented expansion will pay dividends. However, as this happens, ACC hoops hysteria will lose some steam.
As for the Big10 being good 10-20 years ago – that’s nonsense and some of you are dwelling on recent history. As recent as 2005 the Big10 won both of its BCS games, including one against Florida State. The Big10 was at least great from 1990 – 2005. The bowl system does not favor Big10 schools as they all must travel great distances. This is that ole contradiction that home field advantage doesn’t matter so long as the team at a disadvantage is traveling from the north, northeast or nothwest to the warmer regions. Preposterous!
I love how this post excludes offensive star power per conference in the Big10, Moreover, the 2005 cutoff date, in the name of full ACC expansion, is clearly a stunt on your part to tilt the tables towards the ACC. In the end, all this homerism is nonsense – Big10 as well.
As for Big10 NFL talent, I look at two things that stand the test of time: Hall of Famers and annual Pro Bowlers. I dare say your call for factual research will inevitably lead you to conclude that the Big10 has done plenty by way of NFL talent, today, yesterday and tomorrow.
it's not a stunt
I needed an actual starting point to pull data from. Full ACC Expansion in 2005 is not that arbitrary. Also, I’m bringing up these facts to show that our offense is not facing a bunch of jokers and clowns on defense in the ACC. We’re actually facing A LOT of talent. More talent than is in the Big 10. The NFL Draft is the best indicator of talent out there.
Yeah, 9 games since full expansion isn’t that great of a sample set but the sheer volume of player disparity being drafted from the defensive side shows a lot about the relative talent levels, in my opinion and the NFL’s.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
"The NFL Draft is the best indicator of talent out there."
Um, Andre Ware, Todd Maronovich, Ryan Leaf, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams (or just about ANY Detroit Lions pick), Matt Leinart, Tim Couch and JaMarcus Russell would like to speak to you about your assertion that the NFL draft is the best indicator of talent.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
yeah bob sanders is hurt so that name can be voided form your little list but players like dallas clark…ooo yes he is OFFENSIVE and you must be avoiding that since the defensive side seems to favor you the past “few years” but seriously this slanted column of acc great defense is quite comical
take out fsu and miami should be written in with take out ohio state and penn state. you may mix up idaho and iowa but we are just a little bit more knowable than you think.
big whoop on your conf comparison thing. is this the sec????? WE ARE IOWA
Bob Sanders doesn't count
This is for players taken since 2006 NFL Draft (ACC’s first 12 team season).
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Haha, you're right
You sure are a much more “knowable” person than I think…
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
I'm not the one
who constantly harps on the GT playing terrible ACC defenses. I just wanted to throw some facts out there.
Also, defensive players taken in the Draft in this span is the same for both Iowa and GT at 6. That’s pretty good.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
They are terrible
and you proving it is the coaching…that’s all.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
Poor offensive coaching in the Big 10
is definitely an issue that I’ve addressed this week. Any defense looks good against offensive futility.
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Really?
Look at the Oregon v. Purdue game. In the league, they couldn’t do squat. Against Oregon they ran up and down the field to score 36 points (against Wisc. they scored ZERO). Look at Iowa v. Arizona, our offense had no problem whereas they couldn’t do anything we took a kneel down and they scored a pick six or it would have been uglier. Look at illinois v. Cinncy…they scored 36 points and should have scored more. In the league, they couldn’t do squat. Michigan scored 38 on ND. Meanwhile, when GT played out of conference they scored 24 against a horrible Georgia team. Oklahoma…OKLAHOMA! almost beat Miami at Miami. They’re awful. Clemson….allowed a South Carolina team that may have the most feeble offense in college football to score their highest points of the year against a BCS team (by far). I won’t even discuss Florida State who, apparently, just echewed defense altogether this year.
You kind of are talking out of your ass I think.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
talking out my ass?
Wow, you pulled random games to state your point. What about USC’s thumping of offensive juggernaut Ohio State? USC won 5 conference games and struggled all season yet went into the horseshoe and took care of business. This transitive property is BS in football. Otherwise, I’d say Iowa should get blown out by us since the only game the Big 10 played against an ACC squad was VIRGINIA. UVA destroyed Indiana who should’ve upset you guys if not for shitty Big 10 replay officials. GT destroyed UVA at home so that means GT should destroy you guys, right? Wrong. That’s not how football works.
Seriously, you’ve not provided a single viable rebuttal besides “7 degrees of Kevin Bacon” type arguments and ridiculous Big 10 biased opinions.
Please reply to this message with some more “facts.” I’m waiting to hear more Big 10 nonsense. Seriously. All I know is the modern ACC is 6-3 against y’all and we’re favored by the oddsmakers in both our bowl matchups so…yeah. Looks like we’re up for another off season to justify the Big 10’s fading greatness.
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Because of shitty replay officials?
Even if both calls would’ve went IU’s way, we scored sufficient points to win.
Try again.
by hawkeyeguy85 on Dec 13, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Indiana scored on the next play
the other replay was a toss up. Still beat their asses. They couldn’t stop Iowa in the 4th quarter, and replays had nothing to do with that.
USC didn’t “thump” Ohio State.
The point is that Big Ten offenses (except Indiana) fair well outside of conference, lending credence to the hypothesis that Big Ten defenses hurt the offense numbers within conference.
Can’t wait to see "CPJ"s zombie face when this crappy ‘ol offense from the Big Televen puts up 35 versus his 10. I guess that’s not fair. Iowa D is responsible for at least seven of those points.
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 13, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
The transitive property of football
Northwestern beat Iowa.
Syracuse beat Northwestern.
Does this make Syracuse a better team than Iowa?
Uhmmmm...
Minnesota beat Syracuse.
Iowa beat Minnesota.
Your point is moot.
/O'keefe'd
by Smokin Herb Grigsby on Dec 14, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's not moot
In fact, that proves his point. Using circular logic such as that is the worst way to compare teams in college football. Head-to-head outcomes are only valuable when all other things are equal, which they clearly aren’t.
"Big Ten can have this challenge. Duke loses, we all win..."
-Marcus Ginyard, G - UNC
I wasn't making a transitive argument
I wasn’t highlighting this games as a way of saying that because of one result some future outcome is inevitable. I was pointing out games where BIg Ten teams played outside their conference against quality BCS opponents and scored plenty of points and were significantly more productive offensively than they were within the conference. Those are indeed facts. Your argument that BIg Ten offensive coaching is poor was kinid of blown up right there. What more facts do you need? Deal with those facts.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 13, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we went over the transitive thing with Boise fans...
…when we all thought we’d have to face them in the Fiesta. Thank God we got you guys and don’t have to face them.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you want to use USC-OSU as a comparison
No one is saying OSU was that good an offense, but since we’re talking defense, OSU held USC far below their season average, which tends to indicate the DEFENSE was pretty good (USC scored 18, season average was approx 27 ppg, 23.5 in conference). Your use of “facts” is selective, at best.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
litte research done here
ever hear of aaron kampman….had a monster year last year despite being little known. YEAH HE PLAYED FOR IOWA
Aaron Kampman played high school football for Aplington-Parkersburg High School. Despite a student body of only 270, it has produced four NFL players. Kampman, Casey Wiegmann, Jared DeVries, and Brad Meester are all Aplington-Parkersburg graduates who played for Ed Thomas and later went on to the NFL. Thomas was named the 2005 NFL High School Coach of the Year and was tragically murdered this past summer.
kampman was a 5th round draft pick and was second in sacks last year with 15.5. he injured his knee this year and is out for the year. same with jared devries. he was injured
chad greenway is a big time player for the vikings..yeah probably never heard of him. he played for iowa
bob sanders was the defensive player of the year in 2006. if you havent heard of him than thats not my fault
iowa currently has 25 players on an nfl roster
georgia tech has 22
ohio state has 36
penn state has 27
florida has 31. thats a WHOLE 6 more than iowa.
how is this SO MUCH BETTER???
dallas clark vs calvin johnson
again how is this so much better??
many of iowas players are on the line and get litte recognition but they ARE there
The Bottomfeeders of the SEC took on the best that the ACC has to offer….georgia and the gamecocks dined on ACCupcakes of Clemson and GT
The ACC is so far down the totem bowl that their championship game got moved to ESPN opposite the Big 12 game to make room for Cincy-Pitt and Arizona-USC on ABC. make fun of the big ten but to say you are better than US?? dont think so
Considering like 30,000 people actually show up for the ACC Championship, maybe ESPN figures no one wants to watch it on TV either.
Im not sure what the point of this story is because its the production of the draft vs the actual draft. we know how many flops get drafted.
if you are trying to tell us the acc is better than the big ten than good luck with that because it isnt. the big ten has taken a beating because of one school and its ohio state. we won our bowl game and we did it with authority. if you were so superior than I can see a validation for this story but the ACC sucks so claiming its better than the big ten is falling on deaf ears
12 ACC teams are 6-3 versus the Big 10 since 2005.
nm
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Read the conditions of the post
before you start blasting the content. I’m talking about the modern ACC Era – 2005-2009 regular season. All 12 teams in conference play. Kampman was drafted in 2002 before VT/Miami were even in the ACC.
2. 100,000 people attend Tennessee and Ohio State games. That doesn’t make it good football.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
I don't think three years
is a very good sample in which to evaluate your claim. This year, that sample could completely flip. Take a larger sample or drop the arguement because isn’t a really sophisticated one. Or at least it is not one that proves much at all.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 13, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a Colts fan and a GT fan
And comparing Dallas Clark to Calvin Johnson is not comparing apples to oranges…once again.
Different positions, HUGELY DIFFERENT QBs, and different types of offenses
No comparison—-at all.
Maker's Mark--nectar of the gods...
One might call this thread...
a big pissing contest. None of it matters at kick off and only then will we see who is talking out their ass.
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oh boy
It’s gonna be a fun month
The college football season is so fragile. It's like a glass ball being pushed around from stadium to stadium by a rhinoceros.
by Winfield Featherston on Dec 13, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
Well, I need stuff to talk about and this is what’s out there. I’m thinking this week we start comparing defenses and then the Iowa fans will feel slightly redeemed.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
Riddle me this Iowa fans?
Which of your CBs can withstand Demarius Thomas’ stiff arm to the grill? Miss it once and he goes to the house.
Which DT will stop the FB dive from Dwyer…every time? Miss is once and he is running over your safety to the end zone.
Which two guys are going to block Derrick Morgan? and when he moves to the other side of the line? lines up at DT?
That’s what you need to be thinking about rather than whether Iowa gets credit for producing Aaron Kampman. Besides there has to be more GT players in the NFL today than Iowa.
Maybe someone can put up a list.
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
It was a Tech fan who tried to make
this stupid argument. And I am happy to drop it. It wreaks of the same stupidity of all those SEC fans that say that conference has cornered the market on speed. As though that means anything, even if it was provable.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 13, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Can't agree more about SEC fans
We’ve been hearing that crap since losing to UGA and Clemson lost to USC.
They are the most annoying of all easily
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As a Panthers blogger I think you are familiar with the physical quality of Iowa DBs
Spievey is the best CB I’ve seen at Iowa, the SS Tyler Sash is the best Iowa safety since Sanders and Praeter/Greenwood are no slouches.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 13, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Iowa has 26 players in the NFL, GT has 22
http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/g
I check cheddar like a food inspector
by SpanishJohnny on Dec 13, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Which is too small a sample size to prove anything
and tilted heavily by the inclusion of Miami players from the 2005 and 2006 drafts. Da U may be down lately, but that is in part a factor of the complete talent drain via early departures for the NFL that has occurred up until the last two seasons.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Offensively, Big 10 has faired better in the Draft
All of the OL and TE’s from the Big 10 have blanketed the NFL. Ohio State has sent the most at 12 since 2006.
Total offensive drafted players since 2006: ACC = 58, Big 10 = 63.
This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.
By that measure...
the Big Ten is a better offensive conference, ACC is 4.83 drafted per team, Big Ten is 5.73. Can someone explain what this proves?
Seriously, what isn't better with bacon?
by The Bacon Explosion on Dec 14, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Poacher!!!
You are poaching “facts.” Why would you kill the numbers you claim to love.
by Eyeheartfreedumb on Dec 15, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions
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